Comments Thread For: Pedraza: Lomachenko Definitely Would Beat Gervonta Davis

[Ake-Dawg]

Tank still faster than Pedraza, so he could land that power. But with the speed advantage gone against Loma, he might not have the opportunity to deliver the power. Therefore the most skilled guy takes over. Obviously though, the longer they wait, the more Loma will slow down. Tanks got time on hes side, and its accentuated at the lower weights.

Agreed in part. The most skilled guy doesn't always win when speed is not a factor. There are other weaknesses to exploit. Chins and body shots come to mind. The reason why we need to see this fight is that Tank has a chance to land the power as we have seen Loma get hit by slower guys.

[Boxing Logic]

I want Lomo to fight al these American guys like Ryan, Gervonta, Haney. Otherwise haters will keep talking he ducks them.

The same **** has been going on since Roy Jones at least. The top foreign fighters are kept away from the top North American fighters until the top foreign fighters are old. You even had Bob Arum yesterday saying we shouldn't rush Haney and Tank, Tank's management is smart to wait and he basically gave them an open invitation to wait until whenever they feel it's best for them, and he told Haney's management to be smart. He said Haney might beat Loma in two years, who knows, and he seemed to be advising that.

Why would Loma advise other promotions fighters to do something that could get his franchise fighter beat, if not because Arum has some sort of behind the curtain loyalty to the American boxing establishment that comes before even his loyalty to his own company and his own fighters? Sort of like the Disney corporation could have made billions of dollars of Star Wars for decades to come, but for some reason they showed a loyalty to SJW politics that goes against Star Wars target audience above profit. It's like some people are so protected or part of some secret club, they don't even have to worry about running their business, they just use it for political purposes because they're protected no matter how much money they waste.

It was very strange, but the trend is clear. Canelo-GGG, Kovalev not getting Ward until he was 33 (prime is 32 and under), Pacquiao not getting Floyd until their late thirties (everyone knows age favors the defensive guy because volume drops with age which means less damage is done, and fights are more decided on points, which favors the defensive points fighter), RJJ not fighting the top foreign fighters, and so on.

It's ruining the sport. But, it's probably also the only thing that kept Floyd, Canelo, etc, half as relevant as they are, and billions of dollars are being made off their relevance. That's why I keep saying, boxing is a business dressed up as a sport. It's why I support the boxers who actually make boxing a sport again, like Pacquiao, Loma, GGG, Marquez, Kovalev, etc. The problem is, supporting them leads to nothing but frustration because many of them are ever allowed to truly prove themselves during their primes vs the top North American stars.

[Phill lynott]

Many would beat Davis. Lomachenko would destroy him.

[deanrw]

Pedraza is in deep against Zepeda tonight. In fact I will be shocked if he wins that fight. Zepeda can fight.

[NachoMan]

It's not meaningless in terms of accomplishments, I said it means nothing when breaking down the Loma Vs Davis fight. It doesn't mean Davis is better and you seem to agree. So what are you arguing about?

You're supporting your pick of Lomachenko over Tank with the opinion of Pedraza; a guy who lost a 12-round decision to Loma and was beaten up and absolutely KTFO'd in 7 by Tank. You dismiss Tank's win somehow by rationalizing that Pedraza was weight drained, that "maybe" Pedraza just had a bad game plan that night against Tank or maybe his preparation was off. You also imply that Pedraza most likely improved a lot by the time he fought Lomachenko, so Loma fought a much tougher version of Pedraza. You completely disregard and disrespect what Tank did that night against Pedraza. Lomachenko has an array of amazing skills. He outclassed Pedraza with all of it, but so did Tank.

Believe it or not, it also takes plenty of skill to land clean, powerful shots on a world class fighter. It actually takes much more skill to do that than to just poke and pop. Tank didn't win by accident, but you sure as hell seem to suggest that. According to you, Tank didn't beat Pedraza; Pedraza beat himself. I think its worth listening to what Pedraza has to say about these two guys, but it takes some real nerve for him to say that Tank wouldn't be competitive with Loma when he lasted half as long with Tank.

That doesn't mean anything. He was also down twice Vs Loma. There could be alot of factors contributing to that like Pedraza being drained, having the wrong gameplan, not preparing as well, Pedraza improving etc.

He knows all that stuff and he knows who the better fighter is and how good he was when he fought both. He is the only person who actually knows for sure how good both are and he came to this conclusion.

[Mindgames]

Agreed in part. The most skilled guy doesn't always win when speed is not a factor. There are other weaknesses to exploit. Chins and body shots come to mind. The reason why we need to see this fight is that Tank has a chance to land the power as we have seen Loma get hit by slower guys.

Yeah, its one of the best fights out there, and im sure it would sell without the need to build more profile. Tanks highlights are good, people like knockouts, hes got the name backing. Of course, he could catch Loma, even if hes outboxed for 11 rounds. Theres not to much intrigue in many other fights for Loma. Never had the feeling Linares or Campbell could really have him in danger.

[NachoMan]

Uhm Floyd Cotto, Pacquiao Cotto? already forgot how that developed down the line

Make your point more clearly, please. Not sure if you quoted the wrong post.

[DuckAdonis]

You're supporting your pick of Lomachenko over Tank with the opinion of Pedraza; a guy who lost a 12-round decision to Loma and was beaten up and absolutely KTFO'd in 7 by Tank. You dismiss Tank's win somehow by rationalizing that Pedraza was weight drained, that "maybe" Pedraza just had a bad game plan that night against Tank or maybe his preparation was off. You also imply that Pedraza most likely improved a lot by the time he fought Lomachenko, so Loma fought a much tougher version of Pedraza. You completely disregard and disrespect what Tank did that night against Pedraza. Lomachenko has an array of amazing skills. He outclassed Pedraza with all of it, but so did Tank.

Believe it or not, it also takes plenty of skill to land clean, powerful shots on a world class fighter. It actually takes much more skill to do that than to just poke and pop. Tank didn't win by accident, but you sure as hell seem to suggest that. According to you, Tank didn't beat Pedraza; Pedraza beat himself. I think its worth listening to what Pedraza has to say about these two guys, but it takes some real nerve for him to say that Tank wouldn't be competitive with Loma when he lasted half as long with Tank.

I said "could be" and that might be the reason why Pedraza thinks it wouldn't be competitive. He knows exactly how good he was in both fights. I'm just giving a possible reason why he would say such a thing. On top of that he knows exactly how good his opponents were. He knows how he got set up by Loma and Tank and how he lost to both. You don't have to like it, but Pedraza's opinion is worth way more than any of yours on this site.

[jackblack008]

Suddenly its Haney.now. no talk about Teofimo anymore?

[jackblack008]

Tank vs Haney. Who wins