How come Kovalev wasn’t “Old” for Eleider or Ward?

[Travis scott]

I agree this isn't a fight like Duran taking on Leonard when the target was young talented and in his physical prime. It's a very shrewd pick by the match makers at GB.

So your mad uk boxing is overrated

[SN!PER]

Kovalev was a young, strong killer until he lost to Andre Ward.

He woke up the next morning with liver spots, gray hair, and arthritis.

Similarly, Ortiz lost to Wilder and instantly turned into a wrinkled old cripple.

[ShaneMosleySr]

Are you seriously asking why no one said Kovalev was shot before he was knocked out for a second time in four fights?

Because he hadn’t been knocked out for a second time in four fights yet.

[DuckAdonis]

You know what I don't like?

It's that Canelo is trying to have a weak Kov in there (diva tactics) by having the fight as soon as November 2nd. Give the man some rest to recover from his last fight. He only has 6 weeks to prepare for Canelo right now. That's a joke. Why does Canelo always got to have stuff like this in his fights?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Kovi was old the day after fight # 2 with Ward
Imo , he is washed up and ready to go
There’s no way Buddy can refinance a 20 year old career in a year
This is a garbage fight , that is why Canelo is chasing Kovi instead of a Beterbiev or Gvozdyk or even a Bivol
This fight will not be competitive at all but we all know you trying to sell this for your beloved Dazn
I got nothing against Dazn or Canelo or Kovi
Just calling a spade a spade

So don’t try to bullchit a bullchitter
Garbage fight
Just look at the odds , no fughin bookie is their to lose money
This is boxing and anything can happen with a punch let alone if their is a dehydration clause or a catch weight

Don’t even try the nuthugger or the hater card

DAZN?

Canelo was already a made man in Showtime and HBO. Haven’t talked about DAZN in a hot minute. There’s no need to! DAZN growth is inevitable, said long ago.

[Thuglife Nelo]

Are you seriously asking why no one said Kovalev was shot before he was knocked out for a second time in four fights?

Because he hadn’t been knocked out for a second time in four fights yet.

So what you guys are confused in saying is that even though many said Ward lost against Kova in #1. That loss translated to being “old” because everyone was talking about ball sacks? Or one hard punch to the chin, aside from low blows, makes a fighter old?

I think many of you boxing fans run with cliche nonsensical posts from others and somehow think it’s good...

[Boris Johnson!]

because he is older now than he was then. do you not know how ageing works? plus kov had a full training camp for those guys

[bigtyivier2k2]

Also I think Mario Lopez ended this debate on the three knockdown rule podcast a few days ago. He said he talked to Oscar for 30 mins at a party about Canelo vs Kovalev, and Oscar told him Canelo believes Kovalev's legs are totally shot and that once Canelo cuts off the ring and lands body punches it will be over. So you're hearing from Canelo's own team that Kovalev is old, just like Canelo never fought GGG until Canelo's own team, Bernard Hopkins, said that GGG looked old like the snap was gone from his punches when he fought Kell Brook, just like Andre Ward's team Virgil Hunter told us before the first fight that Kovalev had drinking problems and Ward would stop Kovalev.

Word gets around. These protected American or Mexican stars don't just fight guys for no reason. When you're that protected, why would you? They may take risks on paper but there is usually something they know that the public doesn't so that it's actually not much of a risk, just an opportunistic "advanced cherry pick" is the term.

I'm not saying Canelo isn't who you think he is. If he fights Bivol in the next few years, then Canelo is everything you think he is. If he fights the Beterbiev-Gvozdyk winner immediately, before they get old (cuz they are already at that crossroads so it has to be now), he is everything you think he is. But 36 year old Kovalev who has gotten badly gassed or hurt in about 6 of his last 9 fights? Come on bro. I'll say this, Kovalev is sort of a glass cannon, but a glass cannon that still shoots pretty good cannon balls. In some ways, especially early, it may be the hardest fight of Canelo's career, but it's still one that is set up for him to win.

Think of Canelo-Kovalev as another version of Crawford vs Gamboa, except with age and decline substituted into the equation instead of size. Gamboa and Kovalev will both have some success early, both make it a firefight, potentially a fight of the year, but as the fight goes on, it's designed to only have one winner, so that the American or Mexican star, whether Crawford or Canelo, can make it look like they "came back" and "overcame adversity" to score a "spectacular win in a fight of the year."

Zab Judah used to be like this. For 3 or 4 rounds he would look like Sugar Ray Robinson, then his opponent would come back and make it look like his opponent just had such heart that he was able to turn the tide against this monster from the first 3-4 rounds. When in reality, it wasn't his opponent turning the tide, it was Zab fading badly after the early rounds. This type of fighter is the perfect kind of fighter to make you look like an exciting superstar. Because of how exciting but declined Kovalev is, this fight could take Canelo to a totally new level of stardom, just like Crawford vs Gamboa.

Just don't get it twisted. It's designed for Canelo to win. It is not a dare to be great move. It is not a "if he wins, he is P4P #1 move, he is an all time great."

Also remember, Kovalev is coming off a short layoff after a beating. At least when Ward and Chilemba fought Kovalev, it was rested Kovalev even if he was past prime. Now he's not just past prime with more wear and tear, he's being given no time to recover after the most grueling fight of his career. At 36 years old.

Just add it all up bro. Don't you see what I'm saying? Anyway even if you don't trust what I'm saying, just listen to what Canelo's own team is saying.

I agree 100%. And the other commentators quoting you and disagreeing dont know **** about boxing.

Kov was supposed to have a good win vs chilemba as a way to prep him slightly for Ward. Instead he looked terrible.

First Ward fight he should have won and I think that demoralized him mentally a little. Look at Ward’s face as the verdict was spoken he was surprised he won.

2nd fight you noticed Kov slowing down and realized his body is weak and this is when the blueprint for beating him was created. However idiots dont mention the 3 low blows that made him sit on the ropes as Tony Weeks stopped the fight but Tony didnt notice the low blows he said it himself. Kov shoulda got a standing 8 count now have the fight waved off.

The Alvarez fight 1 he was in control but got clipped and stopped because he has no inside game and instead of clinching he tried to fight while hurt. This is when we saw how beatable Krusher is.

Lets face it at 36 hes nowhere near when he was 33 and those 3 years for a boxer in that age range is huuuuge.

Now he barely got by a super green Yarde who didnt even spar and he almost got KO’d and now without much recovery time has to go into another training camp for Canelo. They coulda had a fight in December but Nov 2 gives Canelo an edge because Kov has to start training now and he just fought recently.

We still dont know if theres a catch weight but im sure there will he a rehydration clause as he had it for Jacobs for a fight at 160 smh.

Kov will be tired and not himself and Canelo will destroy the body and stop him in 7-8

[TonyGe]

Prior to the low blows Kovalev looked on his way to losing. Ward landed a flush punch and Kovalev was in deep trouble. Even without the controversial ending he was going to lose.

[Thuglife Nelo]

because he is older now than he was then. do you not know how ageing works? plus kov had a full training camp for those guys

Nah I don’t know how aging works nor did I know BHop was significantly younger than Kovalev. But when Kovalev fights the smallest opponent for his resume, to date, he’s now “old.”