How come Kovalev wasn’t “Old” for Eleider or Ward?

[Thuglife Nelo]

Kovalev is 2 years younger against Ward, 1 year younger against Eleider.

Nobody said anything that Kovalev was “shot” or “old” against the Eleider first meet.

Other than any of that Kovalev has KO’d opponents since Ward.

The X Factor is 2 years now?

Or are Kovalev diehards and Canelo haters (supreme Ward lovers) hate that Canelo is good to the body? Assuming he can reach the lanky Russian?

Seems like there’s just an excuse to hate on Canelo because the quintessential problem is GGG diehards continue pushing a narrative that Canelo is ducking him.

Long Live Carne Asada and Chile verde up in this hoe!! Y’all just don’t know what’s good for you!

[techliam]

He wasn’t.

This is a great fight, if there’s no catchweight and/or rehydration clause

Either of them makes it a completely different affair

[Boxing Logic]

Good question, and I've given it a lot of thought. I will take 10 minutes to type out my answer to the question you asked, so please have the respect to read it and give me your feedback.

IMO Kovalev was already old for Ward. Ward had spies in Kovalev's camp and only "advanced cherry picked" Kovalev, while ducking all the prime top light heavyweights including the ones with more difficult styles for Ward (Stevenson Beterbiev etc), once he heard from them that Kovalev was drinking and old.

Did you not see Kovalev gas early in the first fight vs Ward in a fight he was dominating? Until then that was the same fight as Kovalev vs BHop, the difference is prime Kovalev could sustain it for 12 rounds, old Kovalev gassed after 4 and that made it harder for him, though Ward still couldn't really take advantage.

Did you miss Kovalev's fight directly before facing Ward? Vs Chilemba in Russia? He looked nearly out on his feet late in that fight too. Said it was a miracle he lasted 12 rounds. Vs *****ing Chilemba lol, a tricky guy but not someone who should come close to KOing you. Yet that's what almost happened. Rewatch the fight if you don't believe me.

Vs Alvarez, did you not see Kovalev vs Alvarez I? Kovalev put on ***** street in the 7th round of a fight he was winning big by one right hand from a 50% KO% puncher?

Even if you watch the beginning of that fight, Alvarez's jab was popping Kovalev's head into the front row. I've never seen Kovalev's head pop like that not even vs Chilemba and Ward when he was already old.

Kovalev's changes in training before the rematch seemed to fix that problem, but his legs still looked weak throughout the fight despite the win.

Vs Yarde you saw what happened again, falling apart in a fight he was dominating, and almost getting KO'd. It happened vs Chilemba (and Pascal I) to some degree, just not as bad. That was the beginning of his decline and it's normal, you see that a lot when boxers hit 31-32. 32 is the end of most boxer's primes. Floyd and BHop are unique cases. When will people learn this? It's *****ing basic ****.. Then it happened worse vs Ward 2 and Alvarez I. Then it happened even worse vs Yarde he just survived. And Kovalev said his legs were spaghetti all night vs Mikhalkin.

So out of Kovalev's last 9 or so fights, dating back to Pascal I (he allegedly trained better for the rematch after the wake up call, before falling off the wagon again after, plus Pascal was coming off a bad beating, so that explains the rematch), he has dominated the first 3 rounds, then gassed and almost gotten knocked out in the mid or late rounds, 6 of 9 times.

Does it get any more clear to you than that? It's almost like Kovalev and GGG are victims of their own great jabs because their great jabs still allow them to overcome their decline in other areas and pull out wins at the top level, and then all the critics come out saying "see? They're still prime." No they just have great jabs, great technique and boxing IQ, and heavy hands, which together can cover up a lot. When your jab does as much damage as your opponent's power punches, you really should never lose. That's a giant advantage. It's almost like a cheat code. But the fact Kovalev and GGG come so close to losing so regularly recently despite that advantage tells you what's up.

[Boxing Logic]

Also I think Mario Lopez ended this debate on the three knockdown rule podcast a few days ago. He said he talked to Oscar for 30 mins at a party about Canelo vs Kovalev, and Oscar told him Canelo believes Kovalev's legs are totally shot and that once Canelo cuts off the ring and lands body punches it will be over. So you're hearing from Canelo's own team that Kovalev is old, just like Canelo never fought GGG until Canelo's own team, Bernard Hopkins, said that GGG looked old like the snap was gone from his punches when he fought Kell Brook, just like Andre Ward's team Virgil Hunter told us before the first fight that Kovalev had drinking problems and Ward would stop Kovalev.

Word gets around. These protected American or Mexican stars don't just fight guys for no reason. When you're that protected, why would you? They may take risks on paper but there is usually something they know that the public doesn't so that it's actually not much of a risk, just an opportunistic "advanced cherry pick" is the term.

I'm not saying Canelo isn't who you think he is. If he fights Bivol in the next few years, then Canelo is everything you think he is. If he fights the Beterbiev-Gvozdyk winner immediately, before they get old (cuz they are already at that crossroads so it has to be now), he is everything you think he is. But 36 year old Kovalev who has gotten badly gassed or hurt in about 6 of his last 9 fights? Come on bro. I'll say this, Kovalev is sort of a glass cannon, but a glass cannon that still shoots pretty good cannon balls. In some ways, especially early, it may be the hardest fight of Canelo's career, but it's still one that is set up for him to win.

Think of Canelo-Kovalev as another version of Crawford vs Gamboa, except with age and decline substituted into the equation instead of size. Gamboa and Kovalev will both have some success early, both make it a firefight, potentially a fight of the year, but as the fight goes on, it's designed to only have one winner, so that the American or Mexican star, whether Crawford or Canelo, can make it look like they "came back" and "overcame adversity" to score a "spectacular win in a fight of the year."

Zab Judah used to be like this. For 3 or 4 rounds he would look like Sugar Ray Robinson, then his opponent would come back and make it look like his opponent just had such heart that he was able to turn the tide against this monster from the first 3-4 rounds. When in reality, it wasn't his opponent turning the tide, it was Zab fading badly after the early rounds. This type of fighter is the perfect kind of fighter to make you look like an exciting superstar. Because of how exciting but declined Kovalev is, this fight could take Canelo to a totally new level of stardom, just like Crawford vs Gamboa.

Just don't get it twisted. It's designed for Canelo to win. It is not a dare to be great move. It is not a "if he wins, he is P4P #1 move, he is an all time great."

Also remember, Kovalev is coming off a short layoff after a beating. At least when Ward and Chilemba fought Kovalev, it was rested Kovalev even if he was past prime. Now he's not just past prime with more wear and tear, he's being given no time to recover after the most grueling fight of his career. At 36 years old.

Just add it all up bro. Don't you see what I'm saying? Anyway even if you don't trust what I'm saying, just listen to what Canelo's own team is saying.

[MulaKO]

Kovalev is 2 years younger against Ward, 1 year younger against Eleider.

Nobody said anything that Kovalev was “shot” or “old” against the Eleider first meet.

Other than any of that Kovalev has KO’d opponents since Ward.

The X Factor is 2 years now?

Or are Kovalev diehards and Canelo haters (supreme Ward lovers) hate that Canelo is good to the body? Assuming he can reach the lanky Russian?

Seems like there’s just an excuse to hate on Canelo because the quintessential problem is GGG diehards continue pushing a narrative that Canelo is ducking him.

Long Live Carne Asada and Chile verde up in this hoe!! Y’all just don’t know what’s good for you!

Kovi was old the day after fight # 2 with Ward
Imo , he is washed up and ready to go
There’s no way Buddy can refinance a 20 year old career in a year
This is a garbage fight , that is why Canelo is chasing Kovi instead of a Beterbiev or Gvozdyk or even a Bivol
This fight will not be competitive at all but we all know you trying to sell this for your beloved Dazn
I got nothing against Dazn or Canelo or Kovi
Just calling a spade a spade

So don’t try to bullchit a bullchitter
Garbage fight
Just look at the odds , no fughin bookie is their to lose money
This is boxing and anything can happen with a punch let alone if their is a dehydration clause or a catch weight

Don’t even try the nuthugger or the hater card

[ShoulderRoll]

He wasn’t.

This is a great fight, if there’s no catchweight and/or rehydration clause

Either of them makes it a completely different affair

I'm surprised you can be even handed and fair. Unlike a lot of other posters on here.

I actually agree that as long as there is no weight draining then this is a great fight. And Canelo should get full credit and accolades if he can pull off a win.

[FinitoxDinamita]

Because boxers are only good as their last fights. Kovalev isnt shot yet he is visibly on the slide based on what happened with Yarde. He doesnt react the same to punches and his reflex has slowes quite a bit. He doesnt attack with the same conviction nor does he punch with full commitment. He shows classic signs of an aging fighter.

I still consider him a threat especially against a smaller Canelo though. Im leaning towards Kovalev actually. Im surprised that so many people are underestimating Kov.

[TonyGe]

Also I think Mario Lopez ended this debate on the three knockdown rule podcast a few days ago. He said he talked to Oscar for 30 mins at a party about Canelo vs Kovalev, and Oscar told him Canelo believes Kovalev's legs are totally shot and that once Canelo cuts off the ring and lands body punches it will be over. So you're hearing from Canelo's own team that Kovalev is old, just like Canelo never fought GGG until Canelo's own team, Bernard Hopkins, said that GGG looked old like the snap was gone from his punches when he fought Kell Brook, just like Andre Ward's team Virgil Hunter told us before the first fight that Kovalev had drinking problems and Ward would stop Kovalev.

Word gets around. These protected American or Mexican stars don't just fight guys for no reason. When you're that protected, why would you? They may take risks on paper but there is usually something they know that the public doesn't so that it's actually not much of a risk, just an opportunistic "advanced cherry pick" is the term.

I'm not saying Canelo isn't who you think he is. If he fights Bivol in the next few years, then Canelo is everything you think he is. If he fights the Beterbiev-Gvozdyk winner immediately, before they get old (cuz they are already at that crossroads so it has to be now), he is everything you think he is. But 36 year old Kovalev who has gotten badly gassed or hurt in about 6 of his last 9 fights? Come on bro. I'll say this, Kovalev is sort of a glass cannon, but a glass cannon that still shoots pretty good cannon balls. In some ways, especially early, it may be the hardest fight of Canelo's career, but it's still one that is set up for him to win.

Think of Canelo-Kovalev as another version of Crawford vs Gamboa, except with age and decline substituted into the equation instead of size. Gamboa and Kovalev will both have some success early, both make it a firefight, potentially a fight of the year, but as the fight goes on, it's designed to only have one winner, so that the American or Mexican star, whether Crawford or Canelo, can make it look like they "came back" and "overcame adversity" to score a "spectacular win in a fight of the year."

Zab Judah used to be like this. For 3 or 4 rounds he would look like Sugar Ray Robinson, then his opponent would come back and make it look like his opponent just had such heart that he was able to turn the tide against this monster from the first 3-4 rounds. When in reality, it wasn't his opponent turning the tide, it was Zab fading badly after the early rounds. This type of fighter is the perfect kind of fighter to make you look like an exciting superstar. Because of how exciting but declined Kovalev is, this fight could take Canelo to a totally new level of stardom, just like Crawford vs Gamboa.

Just don't get it twisted. It's designed for Canelo to win. It is not a dare to be great move. It is not a "if he wins, he is P4P #1 move, he is an all time great."

Also remember, Kovalev is coming off a short layoff after a beating. At least when Ward and Chilemba fought Kovalev, it was rested Kovalev even if he was past prime. Now he's not just past prime with more wear and tear, he's being given no time to recover after the most grueling fight of his career. At 36 years old.

Just add it all up bro. Don't you see what I'm saying? Anyway even if you don't trust what I'm saying, just listen to what Canelo's own team is saying.

I agree this isn't a fight like Duran taking on Leonard when the target was young talented and in his physical prime. It's a very shrewd pick by the match makers at GB.

[Travis scott]

Good question, and I've given it a lot of thought. I will take 10 minutes to type out my answer to the question you asked, so please have the respect to read it and give me your feedback.

IMO Kovalev was already old for Ward. Ward had spies in Kovalev's camp and only "advanced cherry picked" Kovalev, while ducking all the prime top light heavyweights including the ones with more difficult styles for Ward (Stevenson Beterbiev etc), once he heard from them that Kovalev was drinking and old.

Did you not see Kovalev gas early in the first fight vs Ward in a fight he was dominating? Until then that was the same fight as Kovalev vs BHop, the difference is prime Kovalev could sustain it for 12 rounds, old Kovalev gassed after 4 and that made it harder for him, though Ward still couldn't really take advantage.

Did you miss Kovalev's fight directly before facing Ward? Vs Chilemba in Russia? He looked nearly out on his feet late in that fight too. Said it was a miracle he lasted 12 rounds. Vs *****ing Chilemba lol, a tricky guy but not someone who should come close to KOing you. Yet that's what almost happened. Rewatch the fight if you don't believe me.

Vs Alvarez, did you not see Kovalev vs Alvarez I? Kovalev put on ***** street in the 7th round of a fight he was winning big by one right hand from a 50% KO% puncher?

Even if you watch the beginning of that fight, Alvarez's jab was popping Kovalev's head into the front row. I've never seen Kovalev's head pop like that not even vs Chilemba and Ward when he was already old.

Kovalev's changes in training before the rematch seemed to fix that problem, but his legs still looked weak throughout the fight despite the win.

Vs Yarde you saw what happened again, falling apart in a fight he was dominating, and almost getting KO'd. It happened vs Chilemba (and Pascal I) to some degree, just not as bad. That was the beginning of his decline and it's normal, you see that a lot when boxers hit 31-32. 32 is the end of most boxer's primes. Floyd and BHop are unique cases. When will people learn this? It's *****ing basic ****.. Then it happened worse vs Ward 2 and Alvarez I. Then it happened even worse vs Yarde he just survived. And Kovalev said his legs were spaghetti all night vs Mikhalkin.

So out of Kovalev's last 9 or so fights, dating back to Pascal I (he allegedly trained better for the rematch after the wake up call, before falling off the wagon again after, plus Pascal was coming off a bad beating, so that explains the rematch), he has dominated the first 3 rounds, then gassed and almost gotten knocked out in the mid or late rounds, 6 of 9 times.

Does it get any more clear to you than that? It's almost like Kovalev and GGG are victims of their own great jabs because their great jabs still allow them to overcome their decline in other areas and pull out wins at the top level, and then all the critics come out saying "see? They're still prime." No they just have great jabs, great technique and boxing IQ, and heavy hands, which together can cover up a lot. When your jab does as much damage as your opponent's power punches, you really should never lose. That's a giant advantage. It's almost like a cheat code. But the fact Kovalev and GGG come so close to losing so regularly recently despite that advantage tells you what's up.

Let me guess you thought kov would beat Ward move on with your life

[Travis scott]

Also I think Mario Lopez ended this debate on the three knockdown rule podcast a few days ago. He said he talked to Oscar for 30 mins at a party about Canelo vs Kovalev, and Oscar told him Canelo believes Kovalev's legs are totally shot and that once Canelo cuts off the ring and lands body punches it will be over. So you're hearing from Canelo's own team that Kovalev is old, just like Canelo never fought GGG until Canelo's own team, Bernard Hopkins, said that GGG looked old like the snap was gone from his punches when he fought Kell Brook, just like Andre Ward's team Virgil Hunter told us before the first fight that Kovalev had drinking problems and Ward would stop Kovalev.

Word gets around. These protected American or Mexican stars don't just fight guys for no reason. When you're that protected, why would you? They may take risks on paper but there is usually something they know that the public doesn't so that it's actually not much of a risk, just an opportunistic "advanced cherry pick" is the term.

I'm not saying Canelo isn't who you think he is. If he fights Bivol in the next few years, then Canelo is everything you think he is. If he fights the Beterbiev-Gvozdyk winner immediately, before they get old (cuz they are already at that crossroads so it has to be now), he is everything you think he is. But 36 year old Kovalev who has gotten badly gassed or hurt in about 6 of his last 9 fights? Come on bro. I'll say this, Kovalev is sort of a glass cannon, but a glass cannon that still shoots pretty good cannon balls. In some ways, especially early, it may be the hardest fight of Canelo's career, but it's still one that is set up for him to win.

Think of Canelo-Kovalev as another version of Crawford vs Gamboa, except with age and decline substituted into the equation instead of size. Gamboa and Kovalev will both have some success early, both make it a firefight, potentially a fight of the year, but as the fight goes on, it's designed to only have one winner, so that the American or Mexican star, whether Crawford or Canelo, can make it look like they "came back" and "overcame adversity" to score a "spectacular win in a fight of the year."

Zab Judah used to be like this. For 3 or 4 rounds he would look like Sugar Ray Robinson, then his opponent would come back and make it look like his opponent just had such heart that he was able to turn the tide against this monster from the first 3-4 rounds. When in reality, it wasn't his opponent turning the tide, it was Zab fading badly after the early rounds. This type of fighter is the perfect kind of fighter to make you look like an exciting superstar. Because of how exciting but declined Kovalev is, this fight could take Canelo to a totally new level of stardom, just like Crawford vs Gamboa.

Just don't get it twisted. It's designed for Canelo to win. It is not a dare to be great move. It is not a "if he wins, he is P4P #1 move, he is an all time great."

Also remember, Kovalev is coming off a short layoff after a beating. At least when Ward and Chilemba fought Kovalev, it was rested Kovalev even if he was past prime. Now he's not just past prime with more wear and tear, he's being given no time to recover after the most grueling fight of his career. At 36 years old.

Just add it all up bro. Don't you see what I'm saying? Anyway even if you don't trust what I'm saying, just listen to what Canelo's own team is saying.

let me guess you mad uk boxing is trash