So why hasn’t the Rivas v Whyte decision been overturned yet?

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  • kafkod
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    #11
    Originally posted by 4truth
    The UKAD lawyers are probably trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you let Whyte fight and he wins, how do you, after the fact, say he doesn't win? If you say Whyte wins after he fails a drug test, how does that look in court when Rivas sues you??
    Originally posted by andocom
    Why would that decision be overturned at this point? Based on what, media reports of a adverse analytical finding?

    BBoC aren't going to overturn a result without an anti doping rule violation from UKAD. BBBoC don't rule on doping violation, UKAD does.

    UKAD have a procedure, same as all WADA signatories do, that process is underway, if an ADRV is found UKAD will hand down a sanction and publish the results, and at that point BBBoC can take action.

    What you seem to be asking for is punishment before the a trial's verdict is handed down, or do you not understand how WADA processes work and the usual time frames involved?

    UKAD's lawyers have one thing to do, follow their rules and there is no indication that isn't exactly what they are doing.
    https://www.ukad.org.uk/violations/results-management

    "An athlete / ASP charged with an ADRV has the right to a fair hearing. The hearing process will determine whether an ADRV has been committed and, if so, the appropriate consequences.

    Depending on the applicable anti-doping rules, it is likely that the hearing will be held before the NADP.


    The NADP is a national tribunal and appellate body for the UK, entirely independent of sporting governing bodies and UKAD."



    UKAD don't rule on PED violations. They report findings and bring charges when necessary, and that's as far as their powers go.

    They charged Whyte with an ADRV, so now the NAPD will look at the evidence and decide whether he's guilty or not.

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      #12
      Originally posted by 4truth
      The UKAD lawyers are probably trying to figure out what to do. I mean if you let Whyte fight and he wins, how do you, after the fact, say he doesn't win? If you say Whyte wins after he fails a drug test, how does that look in court when Rivas sues you??
      I presume that if the hearing finds Whyte guilty, the result of the fight will be overturned.

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        #13
        Originally posted by _Rexy_
        It blows my mind the amount of people that are supporting Whyte and the BBBoC over this entire mess.
        It blows my mind that people still don't understand who made the decision to allow him to fight, its UKAD/NADP that rule on doping violations, not the BBBoC, how can you still not understand this?

        The BBBoC have no say in it. Did Whyte have an anti doping rule violation sanction or provisional suspension, no, then he is clear to fight.

        I'm not defending Whyte, he may be guilty of intentionally doping or a victim of tainted supplements, I don't know.

        But at least understand and blame the correct body, BBBoC or Matchroom don't allow the fight to happen they get sued with a slam dunk case.

        NADP/UKAD didn't provisionally suspend Whtye, blame them, you also might want to consider they are independent of boxing and actually heard the evidence before making their decision though.

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          #14
          Originally posted by andocom
          It blows my mind that people still don't understand who made the decision to allow him to fight, its UKAD/NADP that rule on doping violations, not the BBBoC, how can you still not understand this?

          The BBBoC have no say in it. Did Whyte have an anti doping rule violation sanction or provisional suspension, no, then he is clear to fight.

          I'm not defending Whyte, he may be guilty of intentionally doping or a victim of tainted supplements, I don't know.

          But at least understand and blame the correct body, BBBoC or Matchroom don't allow the fight to happen they get sued with a slam dunk case.

          NADP/UKAD didn't provisionally suspend Whtye, blame them, you also might want to consider they are independent of boxing and actually heard the evidence before making their decision though.
          "heard the evidence" in a shady backroom meeting that only involved one party, and allowed the fight to continue without informing the opponent that he was facing someone who had been taking Dbol?

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            #15
            Originally posted by champion4ever
            It's because the BBBoC is the most corrupt governing body in the world.
            Originally posted by _Rexy_
            It blows my mind the amount of people that are supporting Whyte and the BBBoC over this entire mess.
            Whyte was officially and legally cleared to fight.

            The BBBoC and the WBC both sanctioned the fight based on that decision.

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              #16
              Originally posted by _Rexy_
              "heard the evidence" in a shady backroom meeting that only involved one party, and allowed the fight to continue without informing the opponent that he was facing someone who had been taking Dbol?
              Stop crying you big woman. Your countryman got the **** beat out of him. Take it like a man.

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                #17
                Originally posted by kafkod
                https://www.ukad.org.uk/violations/results-management

                "An athlete / ASP charged with an ADRV has the right to a fair hearing. The hearing process will determine whether an ADRV has been committed and, if so, the appropriate consequences.

                Depending on the applicable anti-doping rules, it is likely that the hearing will be held before the NADP.


                The NADP is a national tribunal and appellate body for the UK, entirely independent of sporting governing bodies and UKAD."



                UKAD don't rule on PED violations. They report findings and bring charges when necessary, and that's as far as their powers go.

                They charged Whyte with an ADRV, so now the NAPD will look at the evidence and decide whether he's guilty or not.
                Correct, NADP is the body that makes the decision, I guess I should have phrased that somewhat better, it is UKAD which will publish the ADRV and sanction and notify interested third parties, i.e. BBBoC.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by andocom
                  Correct, NADP is the body that makes the decision, I guess I should have phrased that somewhat better, it is UKAD which will publish the ADRV and sanction and notify interested third parties, i.e. BBBoC.
                  Yes, UKAD have more power - or responsibility - than VADA, who just report findings.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by _Rexy_
                    "heard the evidence" in a shady backroom meeting that only involved one party, and allowed the fight to continue without informing the opponent that he was facing someone who had been taking Dbol?
                    They followed the WADA code, they had a hearing with the national anti doping panel, experts completely independent of boxing, sorry but that not shady, thats WADA process.

                    Of course it involved one party, unless Rivas was going to go in there and admit to spiking Whyte's drink it had nothing to do with him, either Whyte is guilty or not, doesn't matter if Rivas would still fight him knowing the full situation, he has no say in the matter, if Whyte is guilty of doping in the opinion of NADP he wouldn't be allowed to compete no matter what Rivas thought.

                    At least now you hopefully understand it wasn't the BBBoC's decision.

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