Comments Thread For: Frank Warren To Have Serious Conversation With Yarde, Coach

[Ray*]

I wonder why Eddie Hearn doesn't hammer on Yarde the way Warren pisses on AJ. Isn't Eddie the bad guy or is that just BS...hmmmm?

Hearn might be laying a foundation to get Yarde on his side doe, but Warren is always bitter, Hearn is a bit free like that and say the right things to get the wheels rolling.

[wrecksracer]

How? When has sparring ever been used to build late fight stamina?

Yarde was missing experience; his skills are his skills, but that "knowing when to try something else" bit is what he needed.

You don't get that in sparring; you get that in being in better and better fights.

Come on. Have you ever sparred? You get experience and skills sparring better fighters, and you build endurance because it is the best way to prepare for boxing. You switch out sparring partners every couple of rounds. This kid needs a new trainer.

[Buggy bear]

Leeds Leeds, I'm sure you know the difference between being on " the verge of victory " and using your experience to hold on , ride out the round and then getting a bollocking from a decent trainer who sees you getting complacent and reaches you with rhetoric to get you back on track .. or maybe you don't which is why you have drag yourself down to using words of one syllable to insult someone ..

[Mick Higgs]

Frank should push the EBU for Yarde Boasel!

[KidDinamita]

Things Tunde might say:

- No more running. You get tired when you run.
- No more going to the bathroom 3 hours before the fight. Wanting to pee will make you more aggressive so you could go to the bathroom quicker after the fight.
- No more throwing jabs. Oh, sorry, you already do that.
- No more advice for you in the corner. Oh, sorry, we already there.

But the most important thing Tunde can say to his disciple: "Lions in the camp!". He just forgeot, perhaps, that it is being a lion in the ring that matters.

P.S. In all seriousness, everyone either talks how well Yarde did or focus on his trainer. Nobody seems to be talking that Kova still got it despite the 8th round.

Hahaha, and the first cross that it lands on his face and goes down he pisses himself in the ring

[Clegg]

Warren kept this guy away from all possible risk until (according to his own words) he could get a shot at the weakest champ in the division who he felt had declined enough to be there for the taking. For sure Yarde needs to change his training but when you match a guy as carefully as possible you have to take some responsibility for him not being ready for the big occassion.

I disagree with 'he showed he's world class' talk. Warren admits he saw Kov as the weak link in the division so having one very good round against him in a fight isn't worth that much. He does have talent but we still haven't seen him prove he's above domestic level and wouldn't expect him to beat Buatsi or Johnson. Guessing the plan is go back to C level and wait for Canelo to win the WBO belt, then fight for the vacant title when Canelo goes back down in weight.

[Scipio2009]

Come on. Have you ever sparred? You get experience and skills sparring better fighters, and you build endurance because it is the best way to prepare for boxing. You switch out sparring partners every couple of rounds. This kid needs a new trainer.

Never sparred a day in my life, and won't hide that point.

Played a **** ton of American football though; after hitting early (to get folks over that basal fear of contact), and running around to get the flow to contact for plays, the benefits of live scout team fall off pretty quickly.

Hand/leverage repping along the lines definitely gets value, but even that diminishes over time.

Now, the day an American football coach somewhere says "alright guys, we're going to live hit during Fall camp, but after that it's rugby fits and rolls" will be a shock to the system, but don't fool yourself into thinking the idea has no merit.

The receipt for mistakes will be different, but what would be wrong with Ajayi on the mitts, Big Man (no idea the man's name, but he's already in the camp) on the body protector, and a third man on the punch shield, all running 5 circuits of 3 minutes each.

Or at least building to that (**** reps don't help anyone get better; they just harbor bad habits).

Was on the mitts one time in my whole life, and was starting to blow a couple minutes in; 15 rounds of that, against folks who know what they're doing and push the pace, can't be easy, even for someone like you.

15 rounds, 45 minutes of work, basically non-stop (6 minutes breaks between mitts, so the coaches aren't likely to gas), with exertion mixed in, and under gym conditions (hot like an oven if the place can afford it).

That sounds like hell on Earth to me, but what do I know

[wrecksracer]

Never sparred a day in my life, and won't hide that point.

Played a **** ton of American football though; after hitting early (to get folks over that basal fear of contact), and running around to get the flow to contact for plays, the benefits of live scout team fall off pretty quickly.

Hand/leverage repping along the lines definitely gets value, but even that diminishes over time.

Now, the day an American football coach somewhere says "alright guys, we're going to live hit during Fall camp, but after that it's rugby fits and rolls" will be a shock to the system, but don't fool yourself into thinking the idea has no merit.

The receipt for mistakes will be different, but what would be wrong with Ajayi on the mitts, Big Man (no idea the man's name, but he's already in the camp) on the body protector, and a third man on the punch shield, all running 5 circuits of 3 minutes each.

Or at least building to that (**** reps don't help anyone get better; they just harbor bad habits).

Was on the mitts one time in my whole life, and was starting to blow a couple minutes in; 15 rounds of that, against folks who know what they're doing and push the pace, can't be easy, even for someone like you.

15 rounds, 45 minutes of work, basically non-stop (6 minutes breaks between mitts, so the coaches aren't likely to gas), with exertion mixed in, and under gym conditions (hot like an oven if the place can afford it).

That sounds like hell on Earth to me, but what do I know

The best possible training for skills and endurance for boxing is sparring. The reason Floyd never faded in a fight? Extreme sparring. I used to wrestle in High School. It didn't matter how many miles I could run. How much weight I could lift. The best possible training for wrestling was wrestling. It's just a fact. Same with Boxing. Sparring. Yarde needs it.

[HeadBodyBodyBody]

Never sparred a day in my life, and won't hide that point.

Played a **** ton of American football though; after hitting early (to get folks over that basal fear of contact), and running around to get the flow to contact for plays, the benefits of live scout team fall off pretty quickly.

Hand/leverage repping along the lines definitely gets value, but even that diminishes over time.

Now, the day an American football coach somewhere says "alright guys, we're going to live hit during Fall camp, but after that it's rugby fits and rolls" will be a shock to the system, but don't fool yourself into thinking the idea has no merit.

The receipt for mistakes will be different, but what would be wrong with Ajayi on the mitts, Big Man (no idea the man's name, but he's already in the camp) on the body protector, and a third man on the punch shield, all running 5 circuits of 3 minutes each.

Or at least building to that (**** reps don't help anyone get better; they just harbor bad habits).

Was on the mitts one time in my whole life, and was starting to blow a couple minutes in; 15 rounds of that, against folks who know what they're doing and push the pace, can't be easy, even for someone like you.

15 rounds, 45 minutes of work, basically non-stop (6 minutes breaks between mitts, so the coaches aren't likely to gas), with exertion mixed in, and under gym conditions (hot like an oven if the place can afford it).

That sounds like hell on Earth to me, but what do I know

Wrong. Pads are a poor substitute for sparring

[alexjust]

Never sparred a day in my life, and won't hide that point.

Played a **** ton of American football though; after hitting early (to get folks over that basal fear of contact), and running around to get the flow to contact for plays, the benefits of live scout team fall off pretty quickly.

Hand/leverage repping along the lines definitely gets value, but even that diminishes over time.

Now, the day an American football coach somewhere says "alright guys, we're going to live hit during Fall camp, but after that it's rugby fits and rolls" will be a shock to the system, but don't fool yourself into thinking the idea has no merit.

The receipt for mistakes will be different, but what would be wrong with Ajayi on the mitts, Big Man (no idea the man's name, but he's already in the camp) on the body protector, and a third man on the punch shield, all running 5 circuits of 3 minutes each.

Or at least building to that (**** reps don't help anyone get better; they just harbor bad habits).

Was on the mitts one time in my whole life, and was starting to blow a couple minutes in; 15 rounds of that, against folks who know what they're doing and push the pace, can't be easy, even for someone like you.

15 rounds, 45 minutes of work, basically non-stop (6 minutes breaks between mitts, so the coaches aren't likely to gas), with exertion mixed in, and under gym conditions (hot like an oven if the place can afford it).

That sounds like hell on Earth to me, but what do I know

You are not putting this in perspective: boxing is over 100 years old. Literally thousands champions were forged through training regimens, which have one thing in common - sparring. I understand the contrarian's philosophy and even would agree that once in a while we need to shake up the foundation to see if it is still the right one. But you need to know where to shake the foundation and then validate the shake up. Even if Tunde's tactics was validated that fight (and it was so not), I would still want to see more evidence that this approach isn't a fluke. When you are the only one not walking in the same direction as everyone else that might make you a genius, a luminary, an explorer. It can also make you an idiot. For now, I'd go with the evidence pointing to Tunde being an idiot.