Navarette vs. DeVaca 1469 tickets sold, $87,090 gate

[killakali]

The Hurd/Williams fight did almost 200k more in gate than this fight. I wouldn't exactly use that as my argument here.

Also, I wish EVERYONE would stop using the amount of tickets sold. That means FAR less than the actual gate of the card.

Mikey sold less than 5k tickets vs Lipinets, yet almost did 600k in gate. Vargas vs Kameda sold almost double the tickets as this card yet barely did 8k more in gate.

Yeah 200k more �� like that’s a lot when you consider it was a fight with 2 belts on the line Vs a top contender compared to the the other card that lost its main event and was just the co feature ��

Plus your wrong. The ticket sales matter because that is the actually amount of people who were interested in actually going to the fight. Think about that for a minute.

[killakali]

The Hurd/Williams fight did almost 200k more in gate than this fight. I wouldn't exactly use that as my argument here.

Also, I wish EVERYONE would stop using the amount of tickets sold. That means FAR less than the actual gate of the card.

Mikey sold less than 5k tickets vs Lipinets, yet almost did 600k in gate. Vargas vs Kameda sold almost double the tickets as this card yet barely did 8k more in gate.

Plus u miss the point. He said Williams Hurd did 5x as many people when it was barely 2x despite being a much better and more high profile card. His anti Mexican stance is wack af

[KTFOKING]

Yeah 200k more �� like that’s a lot when you consider it was a fight with 2 belts on the line Vs a top contender compared to the the other card that lost its main event and was just the co feature ��

Plus your wrong. The ticket sales matter because that is the actually amount of people who were interested in actually going to the fight. Think about that for a minute.

No, I'm not wrong. Having butts in seats is great for building young prospects. Grow their fan base, but then it becomes about making money. Go ask Arum if he cares about 10k being in the arena for a 150k gate or if he rather have 5k in the arena that does 900k in gate.

I mean if you want to say two belts on the line, look at the crap Hooker/Ramirez did with two belts on the line. That fight off tickets sold did a gate of 139k.

[KTFOKING]

Plus u miss the point. He said Williams Hurd did 5x as many people when it was barely 2x despite being a much better and more high profile card. His anti Mexican stance is wack af

I didn't say his stance wasn't whack. I've questioned him plenty of times on threads that he makes.

In general, people overestimate the crap out of just how much money these gates produce. There are plenty of states that don't even release these numbers and if they did, then people would really see just how bad some cards do. I actually said a gate of 87k for this fight isn't bad.

[Motorcity Cobra]

That's almost as much as me and Chollo made

And I forgot to cancel and got billed another month

[KTFOKING]

Funny how there is a certain set of fans that ran with Hearn saying Wilder/Breazeale sold 6,000 tickets when the sh^t he says about promoters cards is hilariously wrong. He once tried to say SSR/Estrada was doing better than Lomachenko/Crolla and that proved to be a terrible statement. Then he said Arum's last two cards sold a combined 800 tickets yet this one did damn near double that.

[killakali]

No, I'm not wrong. Having butts in seats is great for building young prospects. Grow their fan base, but then it becomes about making money. Go ask Arum if he cares about 10k being in the arena for a 150k gate or if he rather have 5k in the arena that does 900k in gate.

I mean if you want to say two belts on the line, look at the crap Hooker/Ramirez did with two belts on the line. That fight off tickets sold did a gate of 139k.

hooker Ramirez didn’t do very well either. But you are wrong. For perspective a much higher profile fight in Hurd Williams in an area like ******ia that doesnt have anywhere near the entertainment that the LA has for competition to boxing could only sell 1500 more tickets than a co feature fight that was elevated.

And pbc proved my point even more. They weren’t worried about the gate at all when they gave away for FREE 3650 tickets. Over 800 more giveaways than ticket sales. And they have to pay tax on those freebies so they lose even more money. So evidently it is about butts in seats (looks better on tv) and not the gate.

How would you feel if you were one fo the suckers who bought tickets to that fight knowing that more people got in free than people who might a ticket?

[KTFOKING]

hooker Ramirez didn’t do very well either. But you are wrong. For perspective a much higher profile fight in Hurd Williams in an area like ******ia that doesnt have anywhere near the entertainment that the LA has for competition to boxing could only sell 1500 more tickets than a co feature fight that was elevated.

And pbc proved my point even more. They weren’t worried about the gate at all when they gave away for FREE 3650 tickets. Over 800 more giveaways than ticket sales. And they have to pay tax on those freebies so they lose even more money. So evidently it is about butts in seats (looks better on tv) and not the gate.

How would you feel if you were one fo the suckers who bought tickets to that fight knowing that more people got in free than people who might a ticket?

Again, butts in seats is great for young prospects. But eventually it comes to make money. You had a unification bout that did less than 150k in gate yet the purses for the main event fighters were over a combined 6M. Every promoter gives away free tickets, that is nothing new. If you can't sell tickets for a fight, then sure give them away. But that is damn sure not the goal of the promoter once you get a fighter to world level status.

[killakali]

Again, butts in seats is great for young prospects. But eventually it comes to make money. You had a unification bout that did less than 150k in gate yet the purses for the main event fighters were over a combined 6M. Every promoter gives away free tickets, that is nothing new. If you can't sell tickets for a fight, then sure give them away. But that is damn sure not the goal of the promoter once you get a fighter to world level status.

Don’t twist it. There was around 2.5 in main event purses for Hurd Williams and they couldn’t sell tickets. So they gave away 3600 and lost even more money with the taxes. Plus you act like that is normal lol. It isn’t normal to give away more tickets than you sell lol. Pbc is known for papering venues but not to that degree. And you give away that many tickets you ruin markets. People expect tickets for free and stop buying. It’s happened a lot here in LA and other markets.

[KTFOKING]

Don’t twist it. There was around 2.5 in main event purses for Hurd Williams and they couldn’t sell tickets. So they gave away 3600 and lost even more money with the taxes. Plus you act like that is normal lol. It isn’t normal to give away more tickets than you sell lol. Pbc is known for papering venues but not to that degree. And you give away that many tickets you ruin markets. People expect tickets for free and stop buying. It’s happened a lot here in LA and other markets.

2.5M in purses and doing DOUBLE what Hooker/Ramirez did with over 6M in purses is still better.

Act like it is normal? Buddy, we just saw the Navarrete/De Vaca card give away almost 2,500 tickets while selling 1,469. Giving away more tickets than selling happens more than you think. If other commissions in states like NY or the Mid-Western states actually released the real numbers, you would see that.

You don't think quite a bit of fans don't know by now that if you wait until the last few days or so you will probably get free tickets? You buy tickets to one damn card, and the next time there is a card at the same arena you will be getting emails the week of the fight giving away free tickets.

Again, giving away tickets is fine if you can't sell them. Go get rid of them at that point, but no way in hell is that the #1 priority. Promoters are trying to get as high of a gate as possible.