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Did I miss something? Did Manny fight and beat Canelo? I mean isn't Manny the man that rejected Yuri Foreman because he was too tall. Once again kudos to Manny for beating Keith Thurman. That's a major scalp. But he was never better than Floyd. Floyd proved the skill gap from the very first moment in their bout. Pac is one of the best ever but he's not and will never be on Floyd's level.
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Pacquiao started at 105 lbs and fight essentially to WW although on paper it was JMW, but that lone JMW fight had a catchweight AND rehydration clause against a beaten fighter (Margarito got TKOd by Mosley and then went the distance against a journeyman before the weight stipulations). I do not recognize Manny at 154 at all.
Manny had some success between 126 and 147 and that was a very impressive run, but he was never "the guy" at 147 as he avoided Floyd and eventually lost a lopsided decision to Floyd.
Nonetheless I believe Manny wouldve beaten anyone from 130-140 had he stayed at those weights. I'm not speaking all-time but "at that time".Comment
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You consider a guy who gets a "MD" josesito Lopez an elite? Mind you that was supposed to he a tune up fight.
The funny thing about saying he was top 3 in a division is you're not actually saying if he is good or not.
If you have 2 boxers and 3 janitors in a room. There is still a top 3..Comment
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Yes. The WW division has been weak since 2015. None of Thurman, Porter, or Danny are meaningful Welterweights. Bud and Spence are, but they've only just become the face of their division. And having 2 good fighters in a division doesnt make the division "stacked".
And if you rate Danny Garcia or Shawn Porter or Keith Thurman you haven't seen the countless fights they've lost to or been hurt by (Ugas, Brook, Josesito Lopez, Luis Collazo, Herrera, Lamont Petersonn and each other).
Collectively their best wins are each other and they've proved they're only moderately better than journeyman status.
Collazo and Lopez hurting and almost stopping Thurman is pathetic. Thurman won split decisions with Danny and Shawn.
Danny lost to Herrera, Peterson, and Shawn and Keith. Aside from Matthyse every meaningful win of his was against a shot fighter.
Shawn lost every time he stepped up except against Danny. Every other time he stepped up he lost. Every time.
The WW division was stacked circa 2010 with Mosley, Floyd, Manny, Cotto, JMM, PWill, Margs, etc.Comment
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Floyd s retired. What Pac is achieving now is infinitely better than anything Ffloyd is achieving right now.
Pac beat thurman who beat garcia who beat khan, who beat maidana, who beat floyd. Floyd certainly made maidana look elite and ATG material.
Thurman not too bad me thinksLast edited by hugh grant; 08-28-2019, 01:18 PM.Comment
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By the simple fact that you are using Mikey Garcia(0-1) as evidence to claim the divison is good tells me that you are just throwing names around.
That being said, all those fighters minus Mikey, because nobody knows were he sits at welterweight (0-1), could have beaten Josesito Lopez. I am not suggesting that divison is weak. There are alot of good fighters. Manny fought the lesser of the division. He didnt fight an elite in the welterweight.Comment
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