Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Let's Just Move On From Canelo & See What Happens

[TonyGe]

ah describing him as he is, is dishonest?

No, saying he doesnt have 12 fights is dishonest, and claiming someone with 12 fights isnt a pro novice is dishonest.

He may be fairly good, but he was still DE FACTO a 12 fight novice.

The word "dishonest" only comes into play when it somehow involves GGG, funnily enough.

You said that that despite being a novice he's a fairly good fighter. So the fact that he's as you say "a fairly good fighter" is in your mind irrelevant because he had 12 fights as a pro. As others have pointed out
insiders who make a living gauging fighters ability decided against fighting him for various reasons. One of them is he is a Southpaw which would involve an extended training camp putting the May date back after Golovkin promised fans that he was going to keep that date.
He's better than casual fans realise. He has a reputation as being hard to negotiate with. The fact that he was a manditory and Golovkin badly wanted the rematch with Canelo in the fall gave him too much leverage in negotiations possibly forcing a purse bid and screwing up the timing of the May date and the planned fall showdown with Canelo. Golovkin went and found someone that would take the fight without extended negotiations and allow him to move on.

[AKAcronym]

When was Golovkin supposed to give Danny his rematch? I keep reading that he's been ducking the rematch but I'm trying to figure out when that could've happened. It's not like Danny has been lobbying about it. And now he's at 168. Why didn't Canelo give Trout or Lara rematches?

[jimisawesome]

I honestly don't see a point. He is way past prime, and GGG won in 2017, which was already his past prime, the fight was supposed to have happened in 2015, which was his last year before he slowed down, in which GGG would have knocked out canelo had they fought, but it got dragged on and on. 2 years later robbed, ,ext year robbed. Here we are august 2019... GGG should just move on, because if there ever was a 3rd fight, it would be in corrupt vegas.

GTFO, the first half of 2015 was May/Pac and that overshadowed everything. Second half was Cotto who was a much bigger star. The first half of 2016 was rehabbing bbb after his disaster PPV numbers.

[BigStomps]

These fools also forget Canelo only got like $5 million for Floyd fight and Cotto made way, WAY more then Canelo did yet everyone wants almost as much as Canelo gets to fight him. Fkn GGG got 45% for what??? 97 rtards?

Exactly! Most of Canelo's opponents want retirement money from Canelo cause they just don't have the confidence that they can beat him so they looking to cash out.
Canelo took alot less vs Floyd and Cotto cause he had the confidence in beating both future Hall of Fame fighter's. He won on and lost the other. But that's what a fighter is supposed to do. Test himself against the best.

[BigStomps]

Never noticed before that you have a negative rating. Why is that??

Don't know and don't care. I pay no attention to points on here cause they mean nothing to me.

[NachoMan]

Canelo.

The only elite mw at present.


bearing in mind the criteria for elite is those in the level above title level, I'm not one of those who thinks "uhh yuh Tony Bellew is elite"

Well, that reply doesn't make much sense. You implied that GGG was **** and couldn't compete with the upper echelon MWs. Then you say that the upper echelon is Canelo alone, the guy who GG went life and death with twice.

[factsarenice]

So you're saying GGG is on the other side of the street so to speak and he should have signed with the PBC. That's an interesting point of view.

Like I said beforehand, if GGG claims the title, he'll be more than happy to play out his contract fighting B level opposition which is his comfort zone. He loves throwing Canelo's name out for publicity but if he really wanted the third fight badly he wouldn't have been trying to dictate the location and date coming off a loss and no title. With a title, his demands will only increase despite being the b side.

[DreamFighter]

You said that that despite being a novice he's a fairly good fighter. So the fact that he's as you say "a fairly good fighter" is in your mind irrelevant because he had 12 fights as a pro. As others have pointed out
insiders who make a living gauging fighters ability decided against fighting him for various reasons. One of them is he is a Southpaw which would involve an extended training camp putting the May date back after Golovkin promised fans that he was going to keep that date.
He's better than casual fans realise. He has a reputation as being hard to negotiate with. The fact that he was a manditory and Golovkin badly wanted the rematch with Canelo in the fall gave him too much leverage in negotiations possibly forcing a purse bid and screwing up the timing of the May date and the planned fall showdown with Canelo. Golovkin went and found someone that would take the fight without extended negotiations and allow him to move on.

i agree fully here, theres no issue.

[yankees7448]

What big money stars were at 160 to duck him?

When GGG was Felix Sturm's mandatory that would have been a pretty big fight in Europe for GGG (GGG hadn't fought in the US yet at that point. Sergio Martinez was a pretty big star at 160 who wanted nothing to do with him. Miguel Cotto won a belt at 160. Canelo won a belt at 160 but then chose not to fight him for a few years.

I agree that Alvarez is his career defining fight. That in itself should set off alarms and explains why he won't fight guys like Charlo, Andrade, or Jacobs rematch. In his mind (at least it seems to me) his career has no real definition in long term boxing history if he cannot defeat Alvarez cleanly or officially.

I feel he could erase all of that with a belt at 168 or wins over Andrade and Charlo. However, I understand the financial aspect of his approach.

I don't agree that Andrade, Charlo or a belt at 168 would erase much of that. Canelo is well on his way to being one of "the guys" of this generation of boxing. Guys who were both box office stars and who beat top quality opposition. That's not Charlo, Andrade or any of the guys at 168.

I think GGG is a sure fire hall of famer and could strengthen his case even more so with victories over those guys or maybe a belt at 168 but none of that moves the needle anywhere near as much as a win over Canelo. GGG would be a career defining fight for those guys. It wouldn't be the same if you looked at it from GGG's perspective. I still want to see those fights though.

[yankees7448]

So you're saying GGG is on the other side of the street so to speak and he should have signed with the PBC. That's an interesting point of view.

I actually think he should have signed with PBC. They have more fights for him. They have a ton of top quality guys at 154 who could be ready to move up soon. Erislandy Lara would still be a meaningful name on GGG's resume and would be an even easier opponent now than early (I always thought GGG would beat him). They have guys at 168 like the Dirrells, Peter Quillin and David Benevidez.