Comments Thread For: Hearn: Ruiz Can't Moan About Neutral Venue For Joshua Rematch

[Laligalaliga]

that's not the point of the debate. The point was whether NY was a neutral location, which it was. If anything, it favored Joshua.

Do you really have a brain cell? Fighting an american in NY is a neutral ground.
Go drink some fxcking beer.

[Laligalaliga]

yes God does know and you don't. Yes my words clearly state when a contract is ridiculous that, there CAN at times be a cause where the contract is essentially voidable. The condition in this case is that Ruiz's rematch clause could not be held together by the strength of the contract. It as obvious to anyone that Ruiz would renegotiate the contract, which he did BTW.

conceptually this situation is more akin to "voidable" than a breach. Here is a basic definition for a voidable:

/The Indian Contract Act, 1872// Free Consent:- voidable contract, unlike a void contract, is a valid contract which may be either affirmed or rejected at the option of one of the parties. At most, one party to the contract is bound. The unbound party may repudiate (reject) the contract, at which time the contract becomes void.

Typical grounds for a contract being voidable include coercion, undue influence, misrepresentation or fraud. A contract made by a minor is often voidable, but a minor can only avoid a contract during his or her minority status and for a reasonable time after he reaches the age of majority. After a reasonable period of time, the contract is deemed to be ratified and cannot be avoided.[1] Other examples would be real estate contracts, lawyer contracts, etc.

Now I know that maybe this definition can be disputed, but it also makes more sense than paying damages because it was never going to get to that point.

Pay attention and you may learn to think for yourself: In actual point of fact, in a court of law there might be a case made that Ruiz was under duress, or not, does not matter... But in reality we all know that Ruiz did not have any options when he signed that contract IF he wanted that fight. We also know that unless Ruiz was ridiculous the contract clause was going to be renegotiated, thats a fact. Why? Because the contract as written did not reward Ruiz sufficiently...period.

We also knew that Ruiz was not claiming he would not fight. His issue was the weak nature of the contract which he would not perform at the present... Now this is why this contract is voidable... Again think for yourself and learn something, I am claiming this for a very specific reason which I will repeat again: This contract was essentially voidable because it could not hold together. Hearn could not in practice enforce it. Why? because it was never going to be worth it. Ruiz was never going to perform according to the original contract, why? because his value had grown considerably and it was not in his self interest to do so.

The problem you are having is you are looking up standard definitions for things that traditionally are thought out and often debated. Yes we know there are many regular types of contracts involving minors, or with a gun to someone's head that are very easy to define as "voidable." This situation is not cut and dry. One aspect of a good contract is when it is made at Arm's Length...vis a vis in a manner where both parties have their interests protected. A bad contract is predatory and often subject to legal incrimination.

Ruiz might have legally brought up duress when he signed this. He may have had a lawyer make the case that he had to take that fight. I don't know...But here is what I do know. Bad contracts are often impossible to enforce, hence are voidable. Hearn could not enforce this contract, it would have hurt AJ more than Ruiz in some ways.

Eddie knows exactly what hez doing. In the first place, they never expected AJ to loose so the rematch contract was just there as back up plan for the champ.
Eddie used wisdom to renegotiate with Ruiz just to get the belts back. Wasting more time on law suit to enforce the contract will not benefit either him nor AJ in the short run. So why not give him extra mil and get you belts back.
This is business, promoters don't add emotion's like the fans.

[Jab jab boom]

Do you really have a brain cell? Fighting an american in NY is a neutral ground.
Go drink some fxcking beer.

what disadvantages was Joshua at fighting in NYC? He had more fans at the venue, he made more money, his promotor was the lead promotor and arranged everything in his favor. The only thing was that maybe he spent 2 more hours on an airplane to make it to NY than ruiz did. Brits are just delicate b***hes and have panic attacks if they aren't fighting in their backyard.

[Laligalaliga]

what disadvantages was Joshua at fighting in NYC? He had more fans at the venue, he made more money, his promotor was the lead promotor and arranged everything in his favor. The only thing was that maybe he spent 2 more hours on an airplane to make it to NY than ruiz did. Brits are just delicate b***hes and have panic attacks if they aren't fighting in their backyard.

You are drifting off point making no sense.
The fight has been made, arguing here is pointless.

[Jab jab boom]

You are drifting off point making no sense.
The fight has been made, arguing here is pointless.

then maybe you should've kept your initial pointless comment to yourself.

[billeau2]

Eddie knows exactly what hez doing. In the first place, they never expected AJ to loose so the rematch contract was just there as back up plan for the champ.
Eddie used wisdom to renegotiate with Ruiz just to get the belts back. Wasting more time on law suit to enforce the contract will not benefit either him nor AJ in the short run. So why not give him extra mil and get you belts back.
This is business, promoters don't add emotion's like the fans.

Pretty much true. A rematch clause is an insurance policy. hearn had no problem giving up a few more ducketts.

[billeau2]

Mate just stop, you didn't know the difference between voiding a contract and breaching it, in your own explanation of a voidable contract you gave an example of a contract breach.

Now you bring up coercion & undue influence, Ruiz had more than sufficient representation, which again unless you are trying to imply Haymon coerced Ruiz or colluded with Hearn is completely irrelevant.

The rematch clause was one way, Joshua could trigger or not, he did, Ruiz was bound to that contract legally.

No one is arguing he wasn't trying to negotiate for some more money, no one is arguing he wasn't going to get it because at some point the juice isn't worth the squeeze, but your ideas on contract law are laughably wrong and painful to listen to.

You don't know how to think. Contract breach huh? lol. Ever been to housing court? A breach has to be remedied. Did you know if a landlord accepts a payment he cannot sue the tenant and do you know why? because it is not a breach when you accept consideration idiot.

So the contract is? Ill let you fill in the blanks, and i don't know where you mentioned a voided contract because I never mentioned this term.

L huh? lol. Sorry kid I think my ideas through and don't depend on the sheeple to inform me. Ill try to make this clear to you: There are in reality no textbook absolutes in law. There are precidents established and there are different situations that occur that make a contract "strong" or weak. One way to look at a "voidable" contract...not absolutely by any means... is as a weak contract that cannot hold up when expecting one of the parties to act.

If you accept some form of consideration and cancel the contract it is ____ Ill let you fill it in. No it is not a remedy which would be when a judge compels one to complete a contract.

The reason you are bitter is I think for myself. It is nothing personal but look beyond superficial definitions and think things through.

[Laligalaliga]

then maybe you should've kept your initial pointless comment to yourself.

Maybe you shouldn't have responded.

[Laligalaliga]

Pretty much true. A rematch clause is an insurance policy. hearn had no problem giving up a few more ducketts.

The money is there, I don't see why extra mil should be a problem. They spend more on law suit than what they will add to Ruiz.

[Ray*]

Eddie knows exactly what hez doing. In the first place, they never expected AJ to loose so the rematch contract was just there as back up plan for the champ.
Eddie used wisdom to renegotiate with Ruiz just to get the belts back. Wasting more time on law suit to enforce the contract will not benefit either him nor AJ in the short run. So why not give him extra mil and get you belts back.
This is business, promoters don't add emotion's like the fans.

Yep, this is business. And Team Joshua handled it like it should be handled. Some fans are just emotionally unstable to be honest, they flip and flop just like that. They went from Haymon has found a loophole in the contract, to the fight isn’t happening in SA because they might kill Ruiz, Ruiz himself was talking about he isn’t going to SA (Most people with a brain) knew he had no choice in the matter, but you know what? Let’s give him a little bit more money and it should be fine.