Counter Arguments To Manny Pacquiao Being an "Eight" Division Champion

[_Rexy_]

The thing that's really dumb about the "most divisions" argument is that it unfairly favors the little guys. I've seen people argue that Pacquiao is greater than Muhammad Ali simply because Ali fought only in one weight class. There is no higher division than Heavyweight! WTF was Ali supposed to do? Shrink himself down to 195, then 185, then 175, all the way down until he's a skeleton? Judge a fighter by the quality of his opponents and his victories, not by how many weight divisions he's competed in.

yeah, I saw "only one weight division champ" as a con when Floyd did his top boxers ever (of course he put himself at 1)

it is harder for the big boys though. When I boxed in the Ams in my youth I fought at Middleweight, but as a grown man 175 was the start. That's three weight classes if I'm lucky.

[aboutfkntime]

Again, I think it's imperative that this accomplishment is examined in context, not shovelled out indiscriminately as if we're comparing the number of World Cup titles won by different nations. IMO Pacquiao has had one of the greatest careers in modern boxing, but this 8-division thing is over used by fanatics and journalists alike.

championship-level post !

[aboutfkntime]

In this era he is considered an 8 weight division champ.

The 154 was a circus money grab fight. Neither he or Margo did anything to deserve a shot at that title plus it was at a catchweight agains an in house fighter.

Back in the day there were only half of the weight classes, 15 rounds, same day weigh in and 1 or two belts.

It is not fair to compare fighters from back in the day to now.

it is 100% fair to compare fighters of the past to fighters today

what is NOT fair..... is changing the qualifying criteria to include irrelevant hype and dribble that did not even exist back when those legends were carving this sport out of stone

historians - and anyone with an ounce of integrity - will use the original criteria..... which is not only still relevant, it is still the ONLY way to compare era's

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

the key is FULLY understanding the boxing landscape at that point in time... so, knowing every relevant fighter in that era

without research, that is NOT possible for even hardcore fans

accurate/good historians deserve all the credit in the world

casual-fans... just like with judging, have NO idea whatsoever how difficult it is... so to hear them talk is amusing

PacaWacko has likely never even heard of some of the fighters who are above Pac on the ATG list

I 100% disagree... changing the criteria is what stops the process from being "fair"... if you keep the criteria the same, nothing changes

[STREET CLEANER]

it is 100% fair to compare fighters of the past to fighters today

what is NOT fair..... is changing the qualifying criteria to include irrelevant hype and dribble that did not even exist back when those legends were carving this sport out of stone

historians - and anyone with an ounce of integrity - will use the original criteria..... which is not only still relevant, it is still the ONLY way to compare era's

WHO did you beat... with consideration given to when/how

the key is FULLY understanding the boxing landscape at that point in time... so, knowing every relevant fighter in that era

without research, that is NOT possible for even hardcore fans

accurate/good historians deserve all the credit in the world

casual-fans... just like with judging, have NO idea whatsoever how difficult it is... so to hear them talk is amusing

PacaWacko has likely never even heard of some of the fighters who are above Pac on the ATG list

I 100% disagree... changing the criteria is what stops the process from being "fair"... if you keep the criteria the same, nothing changes

I agree with "who you beat". Too many titles and too many weight classes. It is easy to pick the path of the least resistance to get a title.

[CHOWWOKKA]

Damn. I never realized this.

I refuse to call manny an 8 division champion now. He is just a farce.

[THC]

Too many titles and too many weight classes. It is easy to pick the path of the least resistance to get a title.

Exactly. Manny has beaten many top level fighters. But he did not always fight the stiffest competition as he collected those divisional belts. e.g. David Diaz, Keith Thurman.

[thedarkdragon11]

Too many titles yet nobody has gone through what GrandPac has achieved... If only Dalakian/Edwards/Mthalane/Tanaka can defeat paper champs or target the vacant ones (lineal included) in 7 more weight divisions starting at 122 (then catchweight the last one)...

[aboutfkntime]

Too many titles yet nobody has gone through what GrandPac has achieved... If only Dalakian/Edwards/Mthalane/Tanaka can defeat paper champs or target the vacant ones (lineal included) in 7 more weight divisions starting at 122 (then catchweight the last one)...

it was always going to happen

as soon as it became physically possible to tip-toe through the tulips... skipping through divisions collecting shabby paper titles... surprise surprise, someone did it

even Broner did it... champ in 4x divisions by 22yo

it was always going to happen... and it will happen again

a small guy with the right metabolism will come along again, no question

ret4rded casual-fans will insist that he is better than Pac... but pacfans will suddenly insist that names are more important than nameless achievements lol

[SN!PER]

a small guy with the right metabolism will come along again, no question

Monster Inoue can do it if he cherry picks the weakest champions possible.

[Pacdbest2]

Give it a rest *****s! PAC Was recognized by the media, by boxing experts, by fans as an 8 division division champion, you can’t deny it.

If you want to make a case to make look like that your idol Is greater, then encourage your so called idol to do greater. How bout tell Floyd to fight and beat Canelo at Middleweight or try Kovalev at super middle weight.