Comments Thread For: Andy Ruiz: I Have Not Signed Anything Yet, I Want Rematch in NY!

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  • sayf
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    #111
    Originally posted by EnglishOxide
    Why would they be sweating buckets? If that contract is watertight they are sitting pretty.

    If A side Andy retires and vacates then it's not gonna bother AJ too much. He will still be the money man in the division and he will get to have a few easier fights than Ruiz to rebuild his career and maybe pick the titles back up.

    Fury and Wilder are fighting easy fights to pad their record so AJ will too.

    Ruiz will also be getting his fat ass sued for loss of earnings.
    You pretty much got it, the sweating buckets is in reference to maybe losing out on the belts if he vacates or chooses to fight someone else. There's no doubt I'm sure the contract is watertight and that Joshua /Hearn will win any legal battle, but there's no easy way to get all the belts back without having to fight multiple times to get them all back, potentially pushing any plans he has of unification back possibly a couple of years. He'll still make money no doubt, but it will be less then he's used to until he can collect some belts again.

    I still believe Ruiz is a dangerous opponent and could well pull off the upset again if Joshua doesn't come in with a Kiltchko style stick and move game plan.

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    • paulf
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      #112
      Ruiz is going to lose his belts and deserves to. Renegotiating for more money is one thing, but this is a joke.

      If he didn’t like AJ dictating the terms of the rematch, he shouldn’t have signed the contract.

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      • Verus
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        #113
        Originally posted by sayf
        Not when you sign a legally binding contract. If you let Ruiz break contract, then everyone will do it and the money in boxing will quickly dry up. Most money is made from these types of contracts. We may not like it.

        As they say, if you can't take the heat, get out the kitchen.

        Ruiz seems like a decent guy, and I imagine that must of this is just bluster, to play mind games with Joshua. Is sat he's being very effective right now as Hearn and Joshua must be sweating buckets.

        I'm a firm believer in a man's word should be his honour. He signed, so he should abide by the contract.

        Ruiz I'm sure will sign when he feels he's played enough and won the mind game war.
        Ruiz does not give the impression of being particularly smart or a leader of any kind. Someone is leading him by the nose to his ultimate detriment.

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        • Corelone
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          #114
          Originally posted by P4Pdunny
          Wilder is another US Heavyweight Champion. At least AJ travelled, Fury didn't defend his belt but he's fought for two titles abroad.

          Wilder and Ruiz aint doing that.
          Wilder fought in the UK and Andy went to NZ. What are you talking about?

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          • Queen_Leia
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            #115
            Originally posted by Monty Fisto
            The rematch was in the original contract. By definition, it would only come into play in the contingency of Joshua being the loser. It was negotiated, however, in the context of Joshua as the unified champion and biggest box office draw in HW boxing and Ruiz as a modestly-rated contender. Which is to say, with Ruiz having very little negotiating power. In hindsight, you find it difficult to imagine a rematch where the loser dictates everything, but the terms were agreed as a job lot. Joshua offered Ruiz a shot at his his titles, along with several million dollars, but with the agreement that if Ruiz should win he would give a rematch on certain terms favourable to Joshua. Ruiz agreed. If it goes to court, Ruiz is unlikely to have a leg to stand on. If it goes to court, Ruiz loses big and Hearn and Joshua are inconvenienced. I assume Ruiz is counting on Hearn/Joshua wanting to avoid that inconvenience enough to throw him a bone or two beyond what is in the contract he agreed to originally.
            Bravo!!! 👏👏👏

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            • Queen_Leia
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              #116
              Originally posted by Patsfan bri
              How do we know what was in the rematch clause ??? None us saw the contract . We can’t assume and we certainly can’t take Eddie Hearn word for it , heck the guy just said a deal was signed , now we come to find out a deal is not signed .
              Why can't we take Eddie word for it? He knows what's in the contract.

              Do you really think Team Hearn would give an "out" in regards to a rematch to an individual who was a optional defense. stop being naive, a rematch clause is a clause that allows the defeated champion who gave the opportunity to the optional fighter a chance to regain his titles.

              All optional title fights have rematch clauses...the only title fights that don't are mandatories.

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              • Queen_Leia
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                #117
                Originally posted by 2ndroundko
                lawsuit hurts joshua, he cant fight either. plus matchroom already facing another lawsuit from rivas. trouble ahead. i suggest only those who have seen the contracts speak on what’s in em
                Inaccurate...Joshua can fight, the lawsuit will be between Hearn and Ruiz. Ruiz won't be able to fight until the litigation is over.

                Hearn and Joshua in the interim will be allowed to make a living in Boxing.

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                • P4Pdunny
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                  #118
                  Originally posted by Corelone
                  Wilder fought in the UK and Andy went to NZ. What are you talking about?
                  Jeezuz, who doesn’t know that. Did Wilder defend his title against Harrison? Did Ruiz defend against Parker so thats not a point in the slightest.

                  As champions they got no intention of leaving the “all conquering” America.

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                  • _Rexy_
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                    #119
                    Originally posted by Ray*
                    Not sure but I know his name carries more money than anyone in the HW division. And what do all these corrupt organisations love? Money... He would get moved up the rankings without too much issues. The only organisation I would expect them to play politics with him would be the WBC who are more aligned with PBC.
                    He wouldn’t get moved up the IBF because they follow their rules to a fault.

                    I’d agree with the WBO, except they’re run by Warren/Arum and already has a #1 contender which they can’t strip.

                    WBA is likely the best bet, they’ve shown favoritism to Hearn in the past so I don’t doubt they would move him up for a big money eliminator/vacant title fight


                    And WBC actually wouldn’t surprise me. They seem to have wanted AJ/Wilder for a while and Mauricio is money hungry as ****.

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                    • sapo13
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                      #120
                      HEARN dropped the ball

                      HEARN must've dropped the ball somewhere in the contract.

                      i think the venue was not iron clad in the contract or something. Haymon is a smart guy he wouldn't be advising Andy to stand his ground if he didn't have some kind of leverage!!

                      Hern made a mistake somewhere in the contract!!

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