Max Kellerman: Manny Pacquiao has a case for the best pound-for-pound fighter ever

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  • FredWreck
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    #81
    Originally posted by aboutfkntime
    Mayweather has more better/high-level wins than Pacquiao

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    Mayweather did not lose to MULTIPLE fighters, some by KO

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    Mayweather beat Pacquiao

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    NO, it has nothing to do with size..... Mayweather and Pacquiao were both established welters when they fought..... Pac could never solve the Marquez puzzle, losing every fight according to some observers..... but Mayweather schooled Marquez easily

    Mayweather > Pacquiao..... not even close
    Pacquiao is greater than Mayweather. BIG FACTS.

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    • OCPancho
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      #82
      Originally posted by aboutfkntime
      Mayweather has more better/high-level wins than Pacquiao

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      Mayweather did not lose to MULTIPLE fighters, some by KO

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      Mayweather beat Pacquiao

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      NO, it has nothing to do with size..... Mayweather and Pacquiao were both established welters when they fought..... Pac could never solve the Marquez puzzle, losing every fight according to some observers..... but Mayweather schooled Marquez easily

      Mayweather > Pacquiao..... not even close
      Except Pac is the only human ever to win a lineal title at 112 and won welterweight titles.

      Armstrong had a lot more losses than Pac. Does that make Pac greater automatically ?
      Pernell Whitaker was greater than Floyd imo.

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        #83
        Originally posted by OCPancho
        Sugar Ray was given credit for being a 5-time middle champion.
        Ali being the first heavyweight champion to win the title 3 times.
        Floyd Patterson being the first heavyweight to regain the title .

        Pac had huge KO wins as an underdog .
        Floyd ?



        NOBODY thinks that Leonard was a genuine LHW champ

        NOBODY

        once again, when you need to give a guy credit for winning anonymous paper titles, rather than mention names..... you know that you lost

        Leonard was already great at that point, there is no need to fluff up his glittering career with sillyness like everyone does with Pac..... when I explain to you why Leonard is greater than Pacquiao, I do NOT need to mention Donny Lalonde..... like you need to mention Margarito LMAO

        SRL gets the SAME credit that Ward got for beating Dawson under the SAME circumstances..... so, how is it possible to claim that SRL is a god, for achieving the SAME thing that Ward achieved when he beat Dawson..... Dawson is not even regarded as one of Ward's best wins, and neither is Lalonde for Leonard

        Leonard's resume CAN stand on it's own merits, without the Lalonde sillyness..... Pacquiao's resume cannot stand on it's own merits..... WHICH IS WHY YOU GUYS INSIST ON INCLUDING PAPER ACHIEVEMENTS LIKE MULTI-DIVISIONS..... despite the fact that there are fighters who are greater than Pacquiao who only ever fought in 1 division

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          #84
          Originally posted by aboutfkntime
          NOBODY thinks that Leonard was a genuine LHW champ

          NOBODY

          once again, when you need to give a guy credit for winning anonymous paper titles, rather than mention names..... you know that you lost

          Leonard was already great at that point, there is no need to fluff up his glittering career with sillyness like everyone does with Pac..... when I explain to you why Leonard is greater than Pacquiao, I do NOT need to mention Donny Lalonde..... like you need to mention Margarito LMAO

          SRL gets the SAME credit that Ward got for beating Dawson under the SAME circumstances..... so, how is it possible to claim that SRL is a god, for achieving the SAME thing that Ward achieved when he beat Dawson..... Dawson is not even regarded as one of Ward's best wins, and neither is Lalonde for Leonard

          Leonard's resume CAN stand on it's own merits, without the Lalonde sillyness..... Pacquiao's resume cannot stand on it's own merits..... WHICH IS WHY YOU GUYS INSIST ON INCLUDING PAPER ACHIEVEMENTS LIKE MULTI-DIVISIONS..... despite the fact that there are fighters who are greater than Pacquiao who only ever fought in 1 division
          who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how..... with some consideration given to losses..... NOTHING else!

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            #85
            Kellerman is a **** riding fanboy. Pac lost decisively to both of his chief rivals. Pac has been knocked out cold multiple times. Mother****a even took an L to Jeff Horn. All that disqualifies for him from being number one. Try and inflate has resume with all these arbitrary achievements (8 weight champion lmao), it doesn't change reality.

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              #86
              Originally posted by aboutfkntime
              NOBODY thinks that Leonard was a genuine LHW champ

              NOBODY

              once again, when you need to give a guy credit for winning anonymous paper titles, rather than mention names..... you know that you lost

              Leonard was already great at that point, there is no need to fluff up his glittering career with sillyness like everyone does with Pac..... when I explain to you why Leonard is greater than Pacquiao, I do NOT need to mention Donny Lalonde..... like you need to mention Margarito LMAO

              SRL gets the SAME credit that Ward got for beating Dawson under the SAME circumstances..... so, how is it possible to claim that SRL is a god, for achieving the SAME thing that Ward achieved when he beat Dawson..... Dawson is not even regarded as one of Ward's best wins, and neither is Lalonde for Leonard

              Leonard's resume CAN stand on it's own merits, without the Lalonde sillyness..... Pacquiao's resume cannot stand on it's own merits..... WHICH IS WHY YOU GUYS INSIST ON INCLUDING PAPER ACHIEVEMENTS LIKE MULTI-DIVISIONS..... despite the fact that there are fighters who are greater than Pacquiao who only ever fought in 1 division
              WTF?
              Sugar Ray Leonard was a 5-time middleweight champion???
              Dude, when we say Sugar Ray, it's Sugar Ray Robinson.

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                #87
                Originally posted by pasawayako
                I think he's already the best lb4lb of all time after the margarito fight. No one came close to pac achievements.
                Can I ask you a serious question.
                Do you not think Floyd is a good fighter at all and etc? Or do you think he's a great fighter that just so happened to Duck Pacquiao in the beginning?

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                • aboutfkntime
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                  #88
                  Originally posted by OCPancho
                  Except Pac is the only human ever to win a lineal title at 112 and won welterweight titles.

                  Armstrong had a lot more losses than Pac. Does that make Pac greater automatically ?
                  Pernell Whitaker was greater than Floyd imo.



                  he is also the only human to kill a super-fight by refusing random blood tests..... as he skipped through THREE divisions in 9 months..... gaining 12 lbs of muscle..... and DOUBLING his punch output..... at 30yo

                  Whitaker was greater than Pacquiao imo

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                    #89
                    Originally posted by Floyd is TBE
                    Kellerman is a **** riding fanboy. Pac lost decisively to both of his chief rivals. Pac has been knocked out cold multiple times. Mother****a even took an L to Jeff Horn. All that disqualifies for him from being number one. Try and inflate has resume with all these arbitrary achievements (8 weight champion lmao), it doesn't change reality.
                    Uh, oh.
                    Another triggered one.

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                      #90
                      I don't know about ever but at least he is the best pound for pound fighter of his time. He has won more World titles in several weight divisions than any other fighter of the past fifteen years; Six to be exact.

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