Hearn: BScene article was factually incorrect!

[kafkod]

On a personal level, I tend to agree. If theyre good gloves, with the padding in the right place, approved by the sanctioning and governing body, then it should be good. But, I've seen guys like Floyd make an issue over brand of gloves. Also, the fact that they have these glove meetings to agree upon the gloves, shows that the matter is of importance to the professionals.

According to what I've read, Whyte also had two pairs of gloves that were agreed upon, and wore neither pair. It just looks either underhanded or very amateurish from the Whyte camp

It's possible that one pair of the agreed gloves upon gloves got taken by, or given to somebody else by mistake.

Whyte's team had a hell of a lot on their minds that day. The UKAD hearing happened on the morning of the fight and took hours to complete. It must have been seriously distracting and worrying not knowing whether he would be allowed to compete or not till only hours before the show kicked off.

[kafkod]

The problem is that you never posted any evidence. I will repeat myself again for the fifteenth time. Never what I posted was my personal opinions on the Whyte situation. It was all sourced material. Was it 100% accurate. Maybe not but what is. As things have unfolded so far the info was pretty on point. You posted your personal opinions on the matter. What you assumed had happened and why. Big difference!

What you posted may have been accurate - as in, it was what the sources you quoted were saying - but the sources themselves were reporting factually incorrect information.

And I didn't post only my personal opinions on the matter, I posted links proving that what I said was correct ... UKAD can provisionally suspend a boxer and prevent him from fighting on the evidence of his A sample only, without the B sample needing to be opened.

[kafkod]

Hey Kafkod you do seem like a fairly knowledgeable boxing fan. You joined this site like I did to discuss boxing. I get frustrated a lot of times with some of the dudes on here. I apologize on my end for the name calling. I am a researcher and I have written so I tend to always source material either from the internet or from people in the industry. I have been around the sport for decades. No need to name drop. Doesn't impress anybody anyway. I attend at least a dozen or more live shows a year. I was at the Stevenson card in Newark and will be at the Kownacki/Arreola fight Saturday. Not all of my info is 100%. That is an impossible feat. I also did correct a post and state that action can be taken on the "A" sample alone but that apparently the Whyte situation has other variables. Have a great day. From here on out I will try and have more patience. lol!

No worries mate, and I also apologies for the silly name calling i indulged in myself. It's too easy to get into childish stuff like that online, and also too easy to start start feeling smug and superior because you know something that the guy you are arguing a point with doesn't know.

You were quoting info from sources you had good reason to trust as accurate. I only knew different because I did a lot of digging into the UKAD vs Team Fury case, including sending a couple of emails to UKAD, one asking for clarification about their rules regarding provisional suspensions.

Believe it or not, their response to that was to quote me a section of the Freedom of Information Act, then decline to answer the question I asked on the grounds that the information I requested was freely available to the public at their website!

I found it eventually, buried among reams of legalese and gobbledygook. They are an insanely secretive organization, as you would expect from a quango - a semi autonomous government body.

When Tony Thompson failed a UKAD test after KOing David Price he was banned from fighting in the UK for 2 years ... and nobody knew anything about it till the ban was served, not even David Price!

[Alan Smithee]

No worries mate, and I also apologies for the silly name calling i indulged in myself. It's too easy to get into childish stuff like that online, and also too easy to start start feeling smug and superior because you know something that the guy you are arguing a point with doesn't know.

You were quoting info from sources you had good reason to trust as accurate. I only knew different because I did a lot of digging into the UKAD vs Team Fury case, including sending a couple of emails to UKAD, one asking for clarification about their rules regarding provisional suspensions.

Believe it or not, their response to that was to quote me a section of the Freedom of Information Act, then decline to answer the question I asked on the grounds that the information I requested was freely available to the public at their website!

I found it eventually, buried among reams of legalese and gobbledygook. They are an insanely secretive organization, as you would expect from a quango - a semi autonomous government body.

When Tony Thompson failed a UKAD test after KOing David Price he was banned from fighting in the UK for 2 years ... and nobody knew anything about it till the ban was served, not even David Price!

It's all good. I sent you a private message as well. This site should be about boxing talk. Back and forth banter. Like I said it doesn't make me an expert because I know a few people and attend a lot of fights but I try to post info that is as accurate as possible. Enjoy watching the fights this weekend. I will be at the Kownacki fight Sat. so i'll be catching the ESPN+ stuff on replay. DAZN has a Friday card so i'll be able to watch that live!

[Alan Smithee]

No worries mate, and I also apologies for the silly name calling i indulged in myself. It's too easy to get into childish stuff like that online, and also too easy to start start feeling smug and superior because you know something that the guy you are arguing a point with doesn't know.

You were quoting info from sources you had good reason to trust as accurate. I only knew different because I did a lot of digging into the UKAD vs Team Fury case, including sending a couple of emails to UKAD, one asking for clarification about their rules regarding provisional suspensions.

Believe it or not, their response to that was to quote me a section of the Freedom of Information Act, then decline to answer the question I asked on the grounds that the information I requested was freely available to the public at their website!

I found it eventually, buried among reams of legalese and gobbledygook. They are an insanely secretive organization, as you would expect from a quango - a semi autonomous government body.

When Tony Thompson failed a UKAD test after KOing David Price he was banned from fighting in the UK for 2 years ... and nobody knew anything about it till the ban was served, not even David Price!

Did you see the WBC ruling? They are apparently ruling on the "A" sample only. I still don't understand why UKAD allowed the fight to proceed if it was in their rights to suspend him. There must be more to this situation. Definitley makes british boxing look bad.

[kafkod]

Did you see the WBC ruling? They are apparently ruling on the "A" sample only. I still don't understand why UKAD allowed the fight to proceed if it was in their rights to suspend him. There must be more to this situation. Definitley makes british boxing look bad.

Yes, I saw the WBC ruling. It's a provisional suspension, so I assume it will be lifted if Whyte is cleared by the investigation. It's the right thing for them to do, under the circumstances, and they should have done the same thing when Canelo tested positive, instead of announcing that he was innocent before the investigation even started.

Like Hearn said in his interview, UKAD must have had a reason for not suspending Dillian, we'll have to wait and see what it was.

UKAD should change their rules so that both sides are told of an adverse test result, and Rivas would then have had the choice of whether to go ahead with the fight that day, or pull out and reschedule if Whyte ended up being cleared.

UKAD's secrecy is making British boxing look bad, but it's not the fault of the BBBoC. UKAD work to their own rules, and the BBBoC have no choice but to comply with them.

[MulaKO]

Hearn says that Anber and Yvon Michel were present when the gloves were inspected and passed as legal by the BBBoC and the WBC.

He also says that Rivas was given the option to wear the same gloves himself but declined the offer. This was a WBC sanctioned fight and WBC officials were present to make sure everything complied with their rules.

Are you going to tell me the WBC are in Hearn's pocket now?

All this stuff coming from Rivas' team is nothing but sour g****s and them doing everything they can to get the result overturned. You can bet your life, if Rivas had won, there wouldn't be a peep from them about Whyte's gloves!

How can you say that when Rivas’s camp protested before the fight

You say had Rivas won there would be no complaining , what about if Rivas had done the same chit Whyte and his promoter pulled off
You Brits would be up and yelling like it’s no one’s business
It takes two to tango my friend

[Alan Smithee]

Yes, I saw the WBC ruling. It's a provisional suspension, so I assume it will be lifted if Whyte is cleared by the investigation. It's the right thing for them to do, under the circumstances, and they should have done the same thing when Canelo tested positive, instead of announcing that he was innocent before the investigation even started.

Like Hearn said in his interview, UKAD must have had a reason for not suspending Dillian, we'll have to wait and see what it was.

UKAD should change their rules so that both sides are told of an adverse test result, and Rivas would then have had the choice of whether to go ahead with the fight that day, or pull out and reschedule if Whyte ended up being cleared.

UKAD's secrecy is making British boxing look bad, but it's not the fault of the BBBoC. UKAD work to their own rules, and the BBBoC have no choice but to comply with them.

I agree. The issue of Rivas being kept in the dark is disturbing. Tell him about the trace samples and let him decide. This situation is a mess.