Comments Thread For: Hearn: Joshua Will Decide Rematch Location - NOT Andy Ruiz

[BoloShot]

Just as i thought.


Next victim, step on up

What? Did you not look at the comments I made one just for you! Of course I didn't find my months old comment what kind of autist does that? You didn't do anything except let me waste your time and make you look like a ******ly paranoid person. But I'll just call you a victim and throw on a boxing emoji to say I won. ****ing state of you mate. Your parents must be embarrassed. Oh and the fact you think you regularly wreck people online who are messing with you is hilarious. You really don't get it do you?

[Curtis Harper]

What? Did you not look at the comments I made one just for you! Of course I didn't find my months old comment what kind of autist does that? You didn't do anything except let me waste your time and make you look like a ******ly paranoid person. But I'll just call you a victim and throw on a boxing emoji to say I won. ****ing state of you mate. Your parents must be embarrassed.

Embed the vid if you dare

''no, YOU do it .....''

[Granath]

A fluke is a fluke and Andy winning in any fashion is the definition of fluke.

I'll happily debate you on this. I don't think it was a fluke at all. I think it was a failure of our collective imaginations.

Why? Because Ruiz' record is not bad at all. He's fought a lot of decent fighters and beat them all except one. His only L - which I think is why he was discounted - was a very hometown split decision loss. If Ruiz had not been announced as a replacement then he'd be considered a decent contender based on his opposition.

Most of us just weren't that familiar with him. It's easy to look at his photos, see the StayPuft Marshmallow Man and discount his skills. I know that I watched film on Tom Schwartz and pronounced how much of a stiff he was and how that fight was a joke (and turned out to be 100% correct). But I didn't do the same for Ruiz. I just figured as a last-minute replacement on what should have been a tune-up fight for the big $$$ match against Wilder and then looking at his physique that he was a big nothing. I didn't do my homework and I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.

Buster Douglass was a fluke. He was never that same fighter before or since. I think Ruiz was that night what he always has been (having watched tape of his other fights after the bout). That's also why the betting line was getting closer as fight time neared - I think some (smarter) folks started realizing that Ruiz wasn't a gimmie opponent. That's not a fluke, that's our failure as fans.

---------

As for the rematch, let's face it - if Ruiz truly doesn't want to fight in the UK he's not going to have to do so. Even if Joshua can dictate the place, Ruiz can always use some other negotiation point to make the whole deal go sideways - ring size, gloves, judges, drug testing rules, payment split, when the funds are distributed, promotional contracts, venue, etc. - there's always something that he can (legally) use to not come to an agreement with Joshua and not have to say it was just due to the location.

If they don't come to an agreement Ruiz doesn't lose the titles. He goes off and fights his mando or Wilder while leaving Joshua in the cold. Hearn can sue for the money but he can't sue for the belts because they're not his. That doesn't help AJ get a title shot and without the title his future earnings aren't nearly as strong.

It's not nearly as clear-cut as everyone wants to say it is. Contract law rarely is. I don't know who will give in first but both sides have leverage.

[BoloShot]

I'll happily debate you on this. I don't think it was a fluke at all. I think it was a failure of our collective imaginations.

Why? Because Ruiz' record is not bad at all. He's fought a lot of decent fighters and beat them all except one. His only L - which I think is why he was discounted - was a very hometown split decision loss. If Ruiz had not been announced as a replacement then he'd be considered a decent contender based on his opposition.

Most of us just weren't that familiar with him. It's easy to look at his photos, see the StayPuft Marshmallow Man and discount his skills. I know that I watched film on Tom Schwartz and pronounced how much of a stiff he was and how that fight was a joke (and turned out to be 100% correct). But I didn't do the same for Ruiz. I just figured as a last-minute replacement on what should have been a tune-up fight for the big $$$ match against Wilder and then looking at his physique that he was a big nothing. I didn't do my homework and I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.

Buster Douglass was a fluke. He was never that same fighter before or since. I think Ruiz was that night what he always has been (having watched tape of his other fights after the bout). That's also why the betting line was getting closer as fight time neared - I think some (smarter) folks started realizing that Ruiz wasn't a gimmie opponent. That's not a fluke, that's simplyt hat some of us boxing fans didn't do their homework.

---------

As for the rematch, let's face it - if Ruiz doesn't want to fight in the UK he's not going to have to do so. Even if Joshua can dictate the place, Ruiz can always use some other negotiation point to make the whole deal go sideways - ring size, gloves, judges, drug testing rules, payment split, when the funds are distributed, promotional contracts, etc. - there's always something that he can (legally) use to not come to an agreement with Joshua and not have to say it was just due to the location.

If they don't come to an agreement Ruiz doesn't lose the titles. He goes off and fights his mando or Wilder while leaving Joshua in the cold. Hearn can sue for the money but he can't sue for the belts because they're not his. That doesn't help AJ get a title shot and without the title his future earnings aren't nearly as strong.

It's not nearly as clear-cut as everyone wants to say it is. Contract law rarely is. I don't know who will give in first but both sides have leverage.

This guy is so deluded he's demanding I search through months of my YouTube comments to prove to him I backed Andy to win this. He thinks he's wrecked me this whole time. He's autistic.

[angkag]

Why would Ruiz get stripped? I don't get y ppl are saying that. AJ is not mandatory to any title so why would Ruiz get stripped? It's pretty much a voluntary defense, Ruiz is getting stripped for not fighting AJ, they would just force him take on the next Mando if the AJ fight doesn't get made.

I think all of the ABCs have accepted that a Joshua rematch is an accepted voluntary (so no stripping for following through with it). Problem comes if he doesn't meet the contract, then Hearn and co would sue and stop Ruiz from fighting anyone else, in which case Ruiz can't fight any mandatories and would enentually get stripped as a result while he's tied up in court.

[Curtis Harper]

I'll happily debate you on this. I don't think it was a fluke at all. I think it was a failure of our collective imaginations.

Why? Because Ruiz' record is not bad at all. He's fought a lot of decent fighters and beat them all except one. His only L - which I think is why he was discounted - was a very hometown split decision loss. If Ruiz had not been announced as a replacement then he'd be considered a decent contender based on his opposition.

Most of us just weren't that familiar with him. It's easy to look at his photos, see the StayPuft Marshmallow Man and discount his skills. I know that I watched film on Tom Schwartz and pronounced how much of a stiff he was and how that fight was a joke (and turned out to be 100% correct). But I didn't do the same for Ruiz. I just figured as a last-minute replacement on what should have been a tune-up fight for the big $$$ match against Wilder and then looking at his physique that he was a big nothing. I didn't do my homework and I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.

Buster Douglass was a fluke. He was never that same fighter before or since. I think Ruiz was that night what he always has been (having watched tape of his other fights after the bout). That's also why the betting line was getting closer as fight time neared - I think some (smarter) folks started realizing that Ruiz wasn't a gimmie opponent. That's not a fluke, that's simplyt hat some of us boxing fans didn't do their homework.

---------

As for the rematch, let's face it - if Ruiz doesn't want to fight in the UK he's not going to have to do so. Even if Joshua can dictate the place, Ruiz can always use some other negotiation point to make the whole deal go sideways - ring size, gloves, judges, drug testing rules, payment split, when the funds are distributed, promotional contracts, etc. - there's always something that he can (legally) use to not come to an agreement with Joshua and not have to say it was just due to the location.

If they don't come to an agreement Ruiz doesn't lose the titles. He goes off and fights his mando or Wilder while leaving Joshua in the cold. Hearn can sue for the money but he can't sue for the belts because they're not his. That doesn't help AJ get a title shot and without the title his future earnings aren't nearly as strong.

It's not nearly as clear-cut as everyone wants to say it is. Contract law rarely is. I don't know who will give in first but both sides have leverage.

The rematch A-Side Andy is trying to get out of will prove how much of a fluke his win was.

[BoloShot]

Embed the vid if you dare

''no, YOU do it .....''

Dude the link is there anyone can click it and I don't have the embed option on my phone... You might be the ******est person ever. You must have the demeanour of this guy.
https://********/rBJVk4q7RUE
Hint: he's super autistic and thinks he's a boss like you.

[kafkod]

Most of you are missing the point. The reason Hearn wants the fight in the UK is because Joshua has a THE****UTIC USE EXEMPTION (TUE) to use performance enhancing drugs. He doesn’t have an exemption in the United States which is why many insiders feel he lost and why Team Ruiz is unwilling to fight him in the UK.

You need to post some evidence with an allegation like that.

[Curtis Harper]

Dude the link is there anyone can click it and I don't have the embed option on my phone... You might be the ******est person ever. You must have the demeanour of this guy.
https://********/rBJVk4q7RUE

Let me guess, after you ''get off your phone'' ( ), you'll be much too busy creating a new account due to me DESTROYING the one you have now.

I'm on my phone

[johnbook]

I'll happily debate you on this. I don't think it was a fluke at all. I think it was a failure of our collective imaginations.

Why? Because Ruiz' record is not bad at all. He's fought a lot of decent fighters and beat them all except one. His only L - which I think is why he was discounted - was a very hometown split decision loss. If Ruiz had not been announced as a replacement then he'd be considered a decent contender based on his opposition.

Most of us just weren't that familiar with him. It's easy to look at his photos, see the StayPuft Marshmallow Man and discount his skills. I know that I watched film on Tom Schwartz and pronounced how much of a stiff he was and how that fight was a joke (and turned out to be 100% correct). But I didn't do the same for Ruiz. I just figured as a last-minute replacement on what should have been a tune-up fight for the big $$$ match against Wilder and then looking at his physique that he was a big nothing. I didn't do my homework and I have a feeling I'm not alone in that.

Buster Douglass was a fluke. He was never that same fighter before or since. I think Ruiz was that night what he always has been (having watched tape of his other fights after the bout). That's also why the betting line was getting closer as fight time neared - I think some (smarter) folks started realizing that Ruiz wasn't a gimmie opponent. That's not a fluke, that's our failure as fans.

---------

As for the rematch, let's face it - if Ruiz truly doesn't want to fight in the UK he's not going to have to do so. Even if Joshua can dictate the place, Ruiz can always use some other negotiation point to make the whole deal go sideways - ring size, gloves, judges, drug testing rules, payment split, when the funds are distributed, promotional contracts, venue, etc. - there's always something that he can (legally) use to not come to an agreement with Joshua and not have to say it was just due to the location.

If they don't come to an agreement Ruiz doesn't lose the titles. He goes off and fights his mando or Wilder while leaving Joshua in the cold. Hearn can sue for the money but he can't sue for the belts because they're not his. That doesn't help AJ get a title shot and without the title his future earnings aren't nearly as strong.

It's not nearly as clear-cut as everyone wants to say it is. Contract law rarely is. I don't know who will give in first but both sides have leverage.

Great points.
You sure sound like a lawyer.