Is Andre Ward ATG?

[John Locke]

Nah, but he's a certified HOFer

[IHITBACK]

Ummm...didnt Kov say he was going to break WARd's arms in the second match, and kov had MORE clinches than WARd????

[HandsofIron]

Naw, the guy's alright, maybe a little overrated. Ward fought a bunch of euro-bums at 168, beat a weight drained Chad Dawson who wasn't that good to begin with (got iced by Adonis at 175) and was protected by the boxing powers that be with his jab and grab, holding style. Ward got his ass kicked in the first Kovalev fight, was bailed out and also got special treatment in the rematch.

[AKAcronym]

Not even close. HOFer for sure but ATG is way too much of a stretch.

[New England]

i usually consider the "ATG" the top 100. cleanest way to make that distinction. hard to say if ward's in there, doesn't feel like it to me. his career was short and he had long layoffs without fights.


that said, he's the most accomplished 168 lber ever, won the legit championship at 175 lbs, won a gold medal at the olympics, and beat every good / very good fighter in his era, often in their primes.

hall of famer? with a f#cking bullet. all time great? doesn't feel that way to me, but id be lying if i told you i had the top 100 fighters of all time hashed out in order.

[Zaryu]

Of course he is, it's just a shame he didn't fight more often.

[New England]

Naw, the guy's alright, maybe a little overrated. Ward fought a bunch of euro-bums at 168, beat a weight drained Chad Dawson who wasn't that good to begin with (got iced by Adonis at 175) and was protected by the boxing powers that be with his jab and grab, holding style. Ward got his ass kicked in the first Kovalev fight, was bailed out and also got special treatment in the rematch.

i was at the first kovalev fight and most of hte people thought kovalev won. i wanted ward to win, i had money on him, but i thought kovalev edged it with a knockdown. that said, he did not get his ass kicked. by the end of the fight you could tell that the rematch was going to be easier for ward, he'd seen the jabs and got the timing on the right hand. kovalev hardly landed the right hand in the second fight.

[Scipio2009]

Lol.

Won the Olympic gold medal at 178lbs, debuted as a pro at 165lbs before starting his run at 160lbs (basically won his Olympic gold medal fighting two classes over where he should've been at lol), had a darkhorse run through the tournament at 168lbs, knocked off the lineal light heavyweight champion at 168lbs, went through rough patch of his career, punked out Golovkin, killing his whole mystique after letting the world know what was up (171 with three weeks to his return fight let it be known that 168lbs to fight Golovkin would've been no problem if he wanted the smoke), and then knocking off Sergey Kovalev, close and then clear.

Add that he hasn't loss a fight since he was 12 years old, and yeah, Ward is pretty special.

Arguably the best 168lb/12st fighter to ever put on gloves, and arguably top 15 at 175lbs too

[lefthook2daliva]

Andre Ward THE all time great when it comes to prodicing butthurt.

[Boxing_1013]

either.....

name the 6 " great " wins on Golovkin's resume

or.....

go play in traffic, with the rest of the fools

Golovkin does not even have 1 " great " win, you nut-licking fool

Golovkin ducked everyone worth a damn..... you know that as well as I do

1) he made a bunch of silly excuses to avoid Sergio Mora in a showcase on HBO, preferring instead to fight a NO-HOPER in Monaco on free-TV

Mora was an ex-champ who had clearly faded, which is the ideal opponent for a young fighter attempting to establish himself on the world-stage..... boxing has always worked that way.....

NOT saying that Golovkin could not have beaten Mora, just that the Latin Snake is a known mover/spoiler who is notoriously difficult to look good against..... and they were not willing to risk failing to put Mora away, looking bad in the process, or..... worse

when I heard Loeffler stuttering and stammering his way through half-a-dozen silly excuses, I knew what was up..... that was ridiculous..... because insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not an unknown NO-HOPER on free TV who is WORSE

missing opportunities like that, and with guys like Cotto..... is why Golovkin only has 97k fans..... he needed those type of fights

2) they did the exact same thing to Lara and Ward, who are both also known mover/spoilers who are notoriously difficult to look good against.....

Lara would have been Golovkin's best opponent to date at that point..... and once again, insisting that someone is irrelevant, and not a draw..... only works if you fight someone relevant who IS a draw..... not guys like Willie Monroe, Wade, Brook, etc.....

3) Ward..... they promised to fight Ward at 168..... a) they killed the fight in June 2015 by demanding a catchweight they knew would kill the fight..... b) in September 2015 they refused that fight in 36 minutes flat

4) the superstar Cotto, should have been the ultimate goal of every fighter from 140-160..... at that point in time, Cotto was the very best option, because May/Pac were totally unrealistic and never going to happen

Mr " anyone from 154-168 " totally refusing to negotiate on weight with the little old faded SUPERSTAR Miguel Cotto..... is the 2nd most bizarre occurrence within boxing that I have witnessed within the last decade

I cannot believe how little was spoken about that situation, both from the media and from the fans..... totally bizarre..... every other fighter from 140-160 would have cut off one of his fingers for that fight, and yet Golovkin would not so much as lift his little finger to make that fight, totally refusing to drop a single pound to fight the 153lb superstar

then a few months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo..... Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154 but nobody would step up..... WTF???

those are the exact type of fights that Golovkin should have taken

5) they specifically promised to fight Canelo at 154..... but as above, when shht got real they tucked tail and ran from that fight..... and just like above, 6 months after refusing to negotiate on weight with Cotto and Canelo, Golovkin threw up his hands in frustration and claimed that he was willing and able to fight at 154, but nobody would step up.....



6) Derevyanchenko - and Golovkin got stripped

7) Saunders..... why the fcuk would Golovkin select a total NO-HOPER in Vanes, when Saunders was running around with his "dream"..... calling him Pvssy-Borat.,.... and offering to fight him in June???

a unification > a mando, so Golovkin would not have been stripped for refusing to fight Derevyanchenko..... instead, Golovkin avoided TWO threats, selected an inactive JMW, and got stripped for his troubles in the process.....

the very second that Saunders said he was available, there was no other fight to make..... Munguia, Spike, and Vanes..... should never have been mentioned

..... come on, that is the 3rd most bizarre situation within the sport of boxing that I have ever witnessed..... two of those situations being created by Golovkin

8) Charlo - they said that fight " made no sense "

9) Andrade - they said that fight " made no sense "

if you think all of that happened by coincidence, you are a fkn dreamer

stop licking Golovkin's sack and then expecting old school fans to applaud you for it..... MANY established journalists have said the exact same thing..... which is why you should have smartened up

Dude I'm not reading anything you write lol...post those 6 great Canelo wins or be gone