Comments Thread For: Andre Ward is Not Convinced Yarde is Ready For Sergey Kovalev

[harry-greb]

Hey just give him the 1st 2nd and 6th while you're at it...I could see 12-0 for Dre lol.

But yeah seriously...no offense man but I can't really take anything you say seriously on boxing if that is your take...thanks for putting it out there though and I wish ya lots of luck, sincerely.

No offence taken. I'm here to bust the kovalev kicked wards asś myth.
Ward won 3 of the first 6. I've watched the fight at least 10 times.

[markther]

I was impressed with Andre against Froch...thought he won a 7-5 type fight...but all those other guys you mentioned are one or all of 3 things: a) not very good, b) fought Ward very close despite being B level 'road' fighters (meaning Andre could get all the advantages he needed at home), and c) had some really shady judging or reffing go against them.

Honestly when you put the names out there like that...even without going into much detail about what really happened in those fights...it's hard to see how people really rate that resume much at all...going 12 in hard fights with Miranda Bika Barrera is not exactly otherworldly stuff.

I just think it's funny how on some people's resumes the Bikas Mirandas and Barreras get hyped up...but those types of fighters on other guys' resumes seem to be called 'bums' lol...and to be clear I don't think they were bums...if Andre was really dominating all of those guys I think it would be really impressive...I just never really saw him dominate at all in a fight against anyone B level or above...he was a tough smart fighter though and it was hard to look good against him as well...he really knew how to muck rounds up and make them close and difficult to score.

I can’t really take your responses seriously if your saying the only credible win on Ward’s resume is Froch. So everything you stated is completely subjective from your specific vantage point. However, my point is, Ward had a much better career than Sergio. And all that really matters is how those wins were recorded “officially,” and “historically.” No one really is going to look back 20 to 30 years after Ward career is finished and throw out a bunch of “ifs” and “buts” or “theories” or “circumstances” surrounding all of those Ward wins like you just did. They will simply say he beat a lot of very good and ranked fighters in the divisions he fought in during his era.

I don’t believe Kessler at the time Ward fought him in the tournament was considered to be “not very good” as you stated. He only had (1) loss and that was a 12 round unanimous decision against Calzaghe who retired undefeated. And Kessler was a world champion before that fight with Calzaghe. Was it really shady judging in his fight with Ward when the (3) scores when the fight was stopped in the 11th because Kessler suffered a cut from a shot in the 4th that just got worse as the fight went on, 97-93, 98-92, 98-92. Those scores suggest that Ward won convincingly. And by the way, Kessler beat Froch by a unanimous decision “right after” his loss to Ward. So if your going to give Ward credit for Froch, you have to give him Kessler too. He was very good when he fought Ward.

How about Abraham who beat Miranda when he was undefeated and stopped Jermain Taylor who beat Hopkins twice. Abraham only has (2) losses before he faced Ward, a questionable disqualification against Dirrell and a unanimous decision loss to Froch. But Ward dominated Abraham with scores of 118-111, 120-108, 118-110. So now we have (3) very good fighters that Ward should be given credit for “at the time he fought them,” Froch, Kessler, and Abraham.

How about that stoppage of Chad Dawson who he thoroughly dominated. Chad only had (1) loss when he fought Ward and was coming off a big win against Hopkins. He had (2) wins against Tarver and beat an undefeated Adamek, and had a win against Glen Johnson. And that loss to Pascal was a technical decision loss because of an unintentional head butt by Pascal who was ahead on the scorecards at the time of that stoppage. So now we have (4) strong wins for Ward against very good fighters “when he fought them”, Froch, Kessler, Abraham, and Dawson.

And the guy I’m comparing Ward to got beat twice by him when he was a very good fighter, Sergio. We can argue all day who should have won the 1st Sergio fight but the judges and a lot of boxing experts gave a slight nod to Ward who got off the canvas to win by decision. And Ward stopped Sergio in the rematch. Those are (2) “official” wins on Ward’s resume against a guy in his era regardless of who we thought won or didn't win. So we have (5) very strong wins against “very good” fighters at the time and year Ward fought them.

I will give you Bika, Miranda, Rodriguez, and Barrera and that they were B level and not top tier fighters when he fought them. But Rodriguez and Barrera were both ranked and undefeated when Ward fought them. Give him some credit for them. The best wins Sergio has is against an almost 50 year old Hopkins and (2) wins against Pascal who also lost to Froch and (1) win against Alvarez after getting stopped by him in the 1st fight. Not even close comparing Ward to Sergio-LOL!!!

[Boxing_1013]

No offence taken. I'm here to bust the kovalev kicked wards asś myth.
Ward won 3 of the first 6. I've watched the fight at least 10 times.

Well if that is your mission on here then go for it my friend...I'mj just here to talk boxing in general...and as for that fight I guess we can all see what we want to see sometimes I suppose

[harry-greb]

Well if that is your mission on here then go for it my friend...I'mj just here to talk boxing in general...and as for that fight I guess we can all see what we want to see sometimes I suppose

I think it was a very close fight. Cudda gone either way but by no means a robbery, in my opinion

[Boxing_1013]

I can’t really take your responses seriously if your saying the only credible win on Ward’s resume is Froch. So everything you stated is completely subjective from your specific vantage point. However, my point is, Ward had a much better career than Sergio. And all that really matters is how those wins were recorded “officially,” and “historically.” No one really is going to look back 20 to 30 years after Ward career is finished and throw out a bunch of “ifs” and “buts” or “theories” or “circumstances” surrounding all of those Ward wins like you just did. They will simply say he beat a lot of very good and ranked fighters in the divisions he fought in during his era.

I don’t believe Kessler at the time Ward fought him in the tournament was considered to be “not very good” as you stated. He only had (1) loss and that was a 12 round unanimous decision against Calzaghe who retired undefeated. And Kessler was a world champion before that fight with Calzaghe. Was it really shady judging in his fight with Ward when the (3) scores when the fight was stopped in the 11th because Kessler suffered a cut from a shot in the 4th that just got worse as the fight went on, 97-93, 98-92, 98-92. Those scores suggest that Ward won convincingly. And by the way, Kessler beat Froch by a unanimous decision “right after” his loss to Ward. So if your going to give Ward credit for Froch, you have to give him Kessler too. He was very good when he fought Ward.

How about Abraham who beat Miranda when he was undefeated and stopped Jermain Taylor who beat Hopkins twice. Abraham only has (2) losses before he faced Ward, a questionable disqualification against Dirrell and a unanimous decision loss to Froch. But Ward dominated Abraham with scores of 118-111, 120-108, 118-110. So now we have (3) very good fighters that Ward should be given credit for “at the time he fought them,” Froch, Kessler, and Abraham.

How about that stoppage of Chad Dawson who he thoroughly dominated. Chad only had (1) loss when he fought Ward and was coming off a big win against Hopkins. He had (2) wins against Tarver and beat an undefeated Adamek, and had a win against Glen Johnson. And that loss to Pascal was a technical decision loss because of an unintentional head butt by Pascal who was ahead on the scorecards at the time of that stoppage. So now we have (4) strong wins for Ward against very good fighters “when he fought them”, Froch, Kessler, Abraham, and Dawson.

And the guy I’m comparing Ward to got beat twice by him when he was a very good fighter, Sergio. We can argue all day who should have won the 1st Sergio fight but the judges and a lot of boxing experts gave a slight nod to Ward who got off the canvas to win by decision. And Ward stopped Sergio in the rematch. Those are (2) “official” wins on Ward’s resume against a guy in his era regardless of who we thought won or didn't win. So we have (5) very strong wins against “very good” fighters at the time and year Ward fought them.

I will give you Bika, Miranda, Rodriguez, and Barrera and that they were B level and not top tier fighters when he fought them. But Rodriguez and Barrera were both ranked and undefeated when Ward fought them. Give him some credit for them. The best wins Sergio has is against an almost 50 year old Hopkins and (2) wins against Pascal who also lost to Froch and (1) win against Alvarez after getting stopped by him in the 1st fight. Not even close comparing Ward to Sergio-LOL!!!

Honestly man I saw Kov clearly outbox Andre in the first fight...and the scores in fight 2 were similar before the controversial stoppage...not saying it was 100% Ward's fault there but he did have a history of getting away with some dirty fighting and when you make a habit out of it and get wins from it, it I think takes away from a guy's legacy.

As for Kessler - I never said he wasn't good...he was really good...but the way in which Ward won that one as well was dubious...he clearly headbutted him at least 5 times but/perhaps since he was fighting in his own backyard he didn't get penalized for it...I do think Andre was winning that one before the stoppage (I've watched it)...but again the ending was controversial and not conclusive and the headbutts etc mar that one imo.

Dawson coming down to 168 and being clearly drained is not really an impressive win imo...that's an example of stacking the deck in your favor and then taking advantage of it...I just can't really rate that as a great or even really good win.

As I said...I thought he beat Froch clearly...about 7-5...I also watched his fights with Bika Barrera and Miranda...and I don't really see how anyone can see a clear dominant victory from Ward in any of those fights...there were about 10 close rounds and 1 clear round each way in all those fights imo...but when you fight at home and are the star, you will always get the rounds you need in those fights to win.

All I can do is call it like I see it...I don't really have any interest in co-signing obviously bad cards...which happen in boxing all the time...and as far as Ward's career went I can just honestly say I never saw elite skills from him at all whenever he faced a B level fighter or above...

He struggled to really separate boxing wise from Barrera and Bika...but Andre is a tough smart fighter and is tough to look good against as well...so by fighting at home he would always get the rounds he needs...imo if Bika or Barrera or Miranda were the American fighter in those situations and were the more heralded fighter...they would have gotten a lot more favorable cards in those fights.

All we can do is call it like we see it I suppose...and I am probably one of the few people on here who has actually watched a lot of Andre's fights...and yeah tbh I just never saw great elite skills at all against B level and above fighters...he was a smart tough guy in the ring though, I do give him that...just imo he benefited quite a bit from his circumstances.

[Boxing_1013]

I think it was a very close fight. Cudda gone either way but by no means a robbery, in my opinion

Thanks for your opinion

[harry-greb]

Thanks for your opinion

You're the guy aren't you? You're the guy I was debating a few months back on this very subject. I had a feeling it was you. Youre "i cant take you seriously" was the giveaway.Boxing 1012. Where have you been man??

[Roberto Vasquez]

Ward cheated to beat Kovalev. That's just a fact. The first knockout by repeated ball punching.

Yarde has no chance to beat Kovalev. He has fought nobodies. He should be stepped up properly with matches against lesser fighters

[harry-greb]

Ward cheated to beat Kovalev. That's just a fact. The first knockout by repeated ball punching.

Yarde has no chance to beat Kovalev. He has fought nobodies. He should be stepped up properly with matches against lesser fighters

Unless his balls were up at his belt line!!! A couple of shots were borderline but kovalev was done. That right hand to the chin took it outta him. He wanted out

[Boxing_1013]

You're the guy aren't you? You're the guy I was debating a few months back on this very subject. I had a feeling it was you. Youre "i cant take you seriously" was the giveaway.Boxing 1012. Where have you been man??

I'm glad I made an impression on you...but I can't say I remember you...nor do I really have much interest in talking boxing with ya...no offense though sincerely.

I've been in discussions before with people about Ward etc...but I don't think I've ever seen someone actually try and say he won that fight...let alone 3 of the first 6 rounds!! lol that's wild man...just fantasy stuff imo.

Unless his balls were up at his belt line!!! A couple of shots were borderline but kovalev was done. That right hand to the chin took it outta him. He wanted out

Some were definitely low...Kov could have handled it better but in a more neutral setting Ward is almost certainly penalized and possibly DQed...he got warned in the 2nd round I believe? And at least a few strayed low after that.

And then the last 2 or so finishing shots were clearly low...but Ward was doing some good work to the body in fight 2...was definitely better in fight 2 but was still getting outboxed most of those first 7 rounds.