WADA Exonerates Canelo Alvarez with New 2019 Ruling on Meat Contamination Findings!

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  • Thuglife Nelo
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    #31
    Originally posted by kafkod
    It says that testing labs can now report clenbuterol traces as Atypical Findings (ATFs), if meat contamination is a possible cause, instead of being required to report them as Adverse Analytical Findings (AAFs),

    Reporting them as ATFs means that an investigation can take place without an Anti-Doping Rule Violation charge being brought against the athlete, whereas under the previous rule, reporting them as AAFs meant that an Anti-Doping Rule Violation charge had to be brought.

    Changing the way Clenbuterol findings are reported from now on does not exonerate Canelo.

    But, imo, he would probably have gotten away with it under these new rules, because NSAC wouldn't have had to charge him with a violation and that means he wouldn't have had to prove that the clen in his sample came from contaminated meat and that he had taken all reasonable steps to avoid eating it, which he was unable to do.

    Under those circumstances, A side power would have led to him being given the benefit of the doubt, imo.
    What’s the context of the Ruling?! Meat Contamination!! Clenbuterol!

    Lol. Read it again!

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    • AKAcronym
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      #32
      Originally posted by NearHypnos
      It came up positive something like at least two months before the fight. The man lives in Mexico and the fight was going to be like over half a year after the first fight. He and others can do what they want when theyre not fighting and he can eat as he pleases. Hell, if you’re not in 24/7 365 testing, he could even be roiding on the “off season”.

      People believe Canelo was taking essentially a fat burner MONTHS ahead of a fight and going into a training camp? Lol. It doesn't even make sense. Canelo wasnt cutting weight months in advance and especially with old ass clen. If he’s using, it’s going to be the new designer s hit. At his height in the sport and with the money he generates, the guy isn’t taking clen *if* he is using

      If he doesnt eat beef during training its not because of a fear of contamination. It’s diet and discipline for him and there are better and leaner protein sources he can consume.

      The guy could have had some tacos during promos, vacation back home, anything. He did the hair test and everything seems to indicate it was contamination.
      So much of what you said is not even worth discussing as it's been dissected multiple times over the months. Designer ****? That's a weak ass excuse. And the hair test proved absolute jack ****, other than you can't really argue one way or the other since the science and research of clen isn't quite there.
      Last edited by AKAcronym; 06-29-2019, 01:21 PM.

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      • Thuglife Nelo
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        #33
        Originally posted by AKAcronym
        So much of what you said is not even worth discussing as it's been dissected multiple times over the months. Designer ****? That's a weak ass excuse. And the hair test proved absolute jack ****, other than you can't really argue one way or the other since the science and research of clen isn't quite there.
        People don’t realize that Clenbuterol fiascos have been discussed on the WADA board since Contador.

        Contador falls in the same scheme as Povetkin or Jon Jones.

        Meaning, it was there and the it wasn’t there.

        Contador had irregularities of nano traces DURING HIS CYCLING a couple days apart. That’s significantly different than Canelo 78 days away whom cooperated with all testing procedures that VADA’s own contracted lab SMRTL said Canelo had consistency with meat contamination.

        As years have passed, the committee has been trying to figure out a threshold for Clen (if need be) and circumstances involving Atypical findings for meat contamination.

        That fact that this benefit doubt exists PER WADA obviously means you have to investigate intentional vs accidental.

        Canelo haters know this and retort to: “he has so much money.” Etc.

        You can’t discriminate against an athlete because he’s rich.

        Everybody says Canelo is “protected.” If that were case, the whole investigation is oxymoronic. What people fail to realize is that WBC-VADA had a battle with GBP and Canelo for personal reasons. The main reason because all of Mexico saw and heard news that Canelo was not honoring the defacto belt in Mexican boxing.

        This is obvious.

        This is the reason why the WBC made Canelo the Franchise Champion for their shame in defaming Canelo.

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        • kafkod
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          #34
          Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
          No. In this case he doesn't know better. The research ain't been done.. That comes straight from WADA. If the research ain't been done then Conte can't know better can he?

          IDK if the dude was trying to look smart or was just misinformed or possibly has more of an interest than you think, but the fact remains he was wrong... or lying.
          This is correct. There's a reason why testing labs do not use hair follicle tests to detect clen!

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            #35
            Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
            SMRTL Director - Eichner - VADA's own go to Lab

            ''Canelo Alvarez was consistent with Meat Contamination.''

            https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/ne...-contamination


            30 May 2019


            WADA publishes Stakeholder Notice regarding meat contamination


            On 16 May 2019, the World Anti-Doping Agency’s (WADA’s) Foundation Board decided to amend Article 7.4 of the World Anti-Doping Code (Code) to allow WADA-accredited Laboratories (Laboratories) to report Atypical Findings (ATFs) for the Prohibited Substance clenbuterol.

            Under the current version of Article 7.4 of the Code, Laboratories may only report analytical testing results for exogenous Prohibited Substances as Adverse Analytical Findings (AAFs) but not as ATFs, which does not allow for investigations to take place when potential meat contamination scenarios arise – as has been the case with clenbuterol.

            As such, if the current Code is strictly followed, Anti-Doping Organizations (ADOs) are required to assert an Anti-Doping Rule Violation (ADRV) against the athlete if the B sample results confirm the A sample findings (or the athlete waives the analysis of their B sample).

            The purpose of the ********* to Article 7.4 of the Code – which will come into force on 1 June 2019 and is an interim solution until the 2021 Code and the forthcoming International Standard for Results Management (ISRM) come into effect – is to provide ADOs with the possibility of conducting an investigation when low concentrations of identified Prohibited Substances that are known meat contaminants are detected by Laboratories and reported as ATFs.

            This will ensure that valid meat contamination cases are dealt with fairly and, notably, may prevent athletes from having their competition results disqualified as a result of eating contaminated meat.
            In order to provide guidance to ADOs faced with potential meat contamination cases, WADA has developed a Stakeholder Notice regarding Meat Contamination (Notice) that details the reporting instructions for Laboratories depending on the concentration of clenbuterol detected in an athlete’s sample and includes the investigative steps that ADOs must follow in such situations.

            After following the instructions and investigative steps indicated in the Notice, ADOs may close cases and allow an athlete to retain their results (for samples collected in-competition) if it is determined that the detection of clenbuterol in their sample is consistent with meat contamination. However, if, following the investigation, the reported ATF is not consistent with meat contamination, or if the concentration of clenbuterol exceeds the designated threshold, an ADRV will be asserted and the standard results management process will proceed.

            WADA hopes that the instructions found in the Notice and that the ********* to Article 7.4 of the Code will assist ADOs faced with potential clenbuterol meat contamination cases and will ensure that cases are managed fairly for all athletes.
            Please feel free to contact rm@wada-ama.org should you have any questions or concerns.
            Canelo Alvarez has always been clean. This exoneration proves it even more now
            Last edited by JERMELL_CHARLO_; 06-29-2019, 01:33 PM.

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              #36
              more fake news from canelo fans

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              • kafkod
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                #37
                Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
                What’s the context of the Ruling?! Meat Contamination!! Clenbuterol!

                Lol. Read it again!
                You read stuff like this by picking out key words, like Meat Contamination and Clenbuterol, then filling in the dots to suite your agenda.

                I read stuff like this by trying to understand what it actually says, and means.

                I've done that and posted what I got from it.

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                • Citizen Koba
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by QballLobo
                  Per CBS.com story from April of last year:
                  “Nevada Athletic Commission executive director Bob Bennett, who made the request for the test, told ESPN on Thursday that Alvarez (49-1-2, 34 KOs) did not show any traces of the banned performance-enhancing drug clenbuterol. NAC collected hair samples on March 29 and testing was handled at the WADA-accredited Sports Medicine Research & Testing Laboratory in Salt Lake City, Utah.
                  Because substances like clenbuterol are detectable in urine for less than a week after ingestion but can be found in hair for several months, the negative follicle test could support Alvarez's claim that his failed tests in Mexico on Feb. 17 and 20 for trace amounts were due to ingesting contaminated beef.”

                  Please feel free to post any source that contradicts this.
                  Sure:

                  WADA have no "magic solution" to know if clenbuterol positives are due to doping or contaminated meat
                  The World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) concede that they currently have no scientific means to distinguish whether failed drug tests for clenbuterol have resulted from contaminated meat or genuine doping.
                  Hair analysis can also reveal the level and duration of exposure - which is helpful is indicating whether contamination is likely even it does not definitively prove anything.

                  "We are running some studies to try to distinguish but we don't have a magic solution today," Rabin told insidethegames here at the WADA Symposium.
                  https://www.insidethegames.biz/artic...taminated-meat

                  From march '18. I've bolded that particular bit because I'm sure folk will jump on it... but it actually isn't helpful in this circumstance at all because the research simply hasn't been done to know what results should be expected from red hair -in fact even blond hair types are problematic since Clenbuterol is detectable in hair because it binds to melanin. Dark hair types produce the best results but even then the results vary widely between individuals - a dose that shows up in hair after a coupla months in one person does not in another and that's even with similar amounts of pigmentation (melanin)... with red hair it's even further complicated because red hair actually contains a different type of melanin - pheomelanin - to that found in other hair types and it's sufficiently rare, and the number of people tested for the limited amount of research that has been done to date so few, that non of the studies that I've looked at (and I've looked at the actual research papers of every study available for free online) does not include a single redhead.

                  In short - as I've said elsewhere - the research simply hasn't been done to know what result should have been expected from Canelo's hair test. All that can be said is that a negative test certainly can't be taken as proof that he was deliberately using Clen, which is a point in his favour I guess.

                  My guess, the writer of the article took a few bullet points and didn't fully research the subject. He is correct - Clen can be detected up to a few months out. Sometimes. In people with a certain colour of hair.

                  Look. You want I hook you up to all the relevant research articles, man? I'm already sick of explaining this ish to people and I only got so much time and patience. My position is exactly the same as it always has been. There's insufficient proof to prove either way how the Clenbuterol got into Canelo's system. I ain't on a witch hunt and in the past I've also debunked the arguments of folk claiming to have definite proof that Canelo cheated... it's just that right now the loudest voices are the ones definitively proclaiming Canelo's innocence which can't be proved either.

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                  • Citizen Koba
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Frankie2Jabs
                    Semantics? Lol

                    How many times do you need to be reminded that VaDA CEO Dr. Margaret Goodman exonerated Francisco Vargas for Clen Meat Contamination? How would she know how to make a judgement call like that?

                    Does a federal judge need to remind VADA about Vargas with, “but strict liability doe.”

                    Yeah. This happens a lot when I'm talking with you. I have no idea what the above post has to do with what we were talking about.

                    Semantics because we're talking about two different interpretations of the term 'exonerate'. I'm talking about evidence establishing whether Canelo deliberately used a PED or not, and you appear to be talking about a legal codification which would have meant that guilty or not of having used such a drug - he would have avoided punishment because a rules change by WADA. Not one - incidentally that accepts that Clenbuterol is not a PED below 5ng/ml - if found in an athlete who does not have the excuse of living in a country where meat contamination is a known problem or having visited such a country the athlete will still be treated as having cheated. It's simply a recognition that it's in effect impossible at the present time to discriminate betwen cheating and contamination so they're chosen the path with the least possibility of punishing the innocent.

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                    • Thuglife Nelo
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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Koba-Grozny
                      Yeah. This happens a lot when I'm talking with you. I have no idea what the above post has to do with what we were talking about.

                      Semantics because we're talking about two different interpretations of the term 'exonerate'. I'm talking about evidence establishing whether Canelo deliberately used a PED or not, and you appear to be talking about a legal codification which would have meant that guilty or not of having used such a drug - he would have avoided punishment because a rules change by WADA. Not one - incidentally that accepts that Clenbuterol is not a PED below 5ng/ml - if found in an athlete who does not have the excuse of living in a country where meat contamination is a known problem or having visited such a country the athlete will still be treated as having cheated. It's simply a recognition that it's in effect impossible at the present time to discriminate betwen cheating and contamination so they're chosen the path with the least possibility of punishing the innocent.
                      lol. bruh. man up. how many times do I have say Dr. Margaret Goodman... its ok!

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