Canelo is BAD for boxing!

[bigdunny1]

Any legitimate sport (or society for that matter) has rules that everyone has to abide by.

No one can be above the law.

Once you start giving certain individuals preferential treatment there's a breakdown in integrity. We as fans should not condone that if we care about the health of the sport.

Again boxing top money maker for the last like 4 decades reached a point where they stopped fighting mandatories. Floyd went basically a decade after fighting Oscar not fighting a single mandatory. If you crying now where were you when floyd didn't fight mandatories, or Oscar, or Ray Leonard? Meanwhile for the most part all the fights fans asked for these guys gave you. These belt orgs can't force these guys to fight and realize they are bigger then their belt so that's why these belt orgs break their own rules and create new rules. I would get upset but look at Canelo's record he fights the best he has fought every fighter the fans have demanded and asked him too. That's how you keep these guys accountable not by crooked belt orgs like the WBC and who they say to fight.

[Bullrider]

Charlo was WBC champion at 154 and was given a high WBC ranking when he moved up to 160. Standard practice.

Canelo should have been forced to honor his mandatory or else vacate the title. Not been given a new bullshit franchise belt that Sulaiman pulled out of his ass.

So the answer is yes. He can keep on fighting bums while waiting for Alvarez. I see. Play blame games for years and you're okay with it. I see.

[ShoulderRoll]

Again boxing top money maker for the last like 4 decades reached a point where they stopped fighting mandatories. Floyd went basically a decade after fighting Oscar not fighting a single mandatory. If you crying now where were you when floyd didn't fight mandatories, or Oscar, or Ray Leonard? Meanwhile for the most part all the fights fans asked for these guys gave you. These belt orgs can't force these guys to fight and realize they are bigger then their belt so that's why these belt orgs break their own rules and create new rules. I would get upset but look at Canelo's record he fights the best he has fought every fighter the fans have demanded and asked him too. That's how you keep these guys accountable not by crooked belt orgs like the WBC and who they say to fight.

I'm just standing up for what's right.

In the NFL you don't see the Dallas Cowboys not having to play against the best teams just because they're less popular than the Cowboys.

It's the same in any other top sport. Boxing should be the same way.

[bigdunny1]

I'm just standing up for what's right.

In the NFL you don't see the Dallas Cowboys not having to play against the best teams just because they're less popular than the Cowboys.

It's the same in any other top sport. Boxing should be the same way.

The problem is you are assuming the belt orgs are mandating and ranking fighters properly in the first place so you have the best ordered to fight the best which we both know for a fact they aren't. You have guys ranked that are not even considered top 30 ranked for the division like the 1 legged stiff that Charlo had to beat to become number 1 ranked by the WBC in the first place. FACT Charlo hasn't even beaten a top 15 ranked middleweight and the best guy he faced was a late replacement Korobov who many feel he lost to.

GGG fought nothing but mandatories and top ranked guys dictated by the belt orgs and his resume is considered a joke because of it because the truth is almost none of those guys were even considered top 10 Middleweights and there were tons of better fights fans were demanding he make. Canelo has already fought the best he has faced every top guy the fans called for him to fight now if he refused to do that and simply defended his belt according to who whatever belt orgs he had at the time his career would not be the same and fans would of lost out on much better fights.

We can't scream at the belt orgs and rankings, and system for generating mandatories is corrupt and ****** and then at the same time say guys like Floyd and now canelo should rip up their network contracts, sacrifice millions letting a belt org tell them who to fight and then dictate things like purse bids and financial splits on them. You know how much less money Floyd would of made if he had to give up standard 70/30 split which is the lowest amount the champion has to pay the mandatory by WBC purse bid rules and the Challenger can be entitled to as high as 40-45% depending on the situation. You think Floyd after working as hard as he did to get to top and bank major money as the cash cow was going to give up 30-45% of his money to a mandatory that isn't bringing shyt to the table? When he could fight a better fighter that more fans wanted to see and pay him a fraction of that money. Because a flat fee of 5-10% of a Floyd fight is more then 30-45% of every regular fight. You would have to be a idiot to give away that kind of money and negotiating power away. Which is why you Floyd, Oscar, Sugar Ray Leonard and now Canelo are bigger then these belts and mandatories. I trust all these guys to make relevant fights over any belt org today. They are all corrupt and flawed.

[Mexican_Puppet]

It's not just him. Superstars tend to get that treatment. Look at the favorable judging, reffing, etc AJ was getting until Ruiz knocked him out. Canelo does seem to get a lot of extra help and special treatment though.

And, for the record, it's cheap to say he'll "fight anyone" if he's calling the weight for all those fights.

Sugar Ray Leonard won two different titles (168 and 175) in the fight vs Lalonde

And nobody is crying about that

[Mexican_Puppet]

The problem is you are assuming the belt orgs are mandating and ranking fighters properly in the first place so you have the best ordered to fight the best which we both know for a fact they aren't. You have guys ranked that are not even considered top 30 ranked for the division like the 1 legged stiff that Charlo had to beat to become number 1 ranked by the WBC in the first place. FACT Charlo hasn't even beaten a top 15 ranked middleweight and the best guy he faced was a late replacement Korobov who many feel he lost to.

GGG fought nothing but mandatories and top ranked guys dictated by the belt orgs and his resume is considered a joke because of it because the truth is almost none of those guys were even considered top 10 Middleweights and there were tons of better fights fans were demanding he make. Canelo has already fought the best he has faced every top guy the fans called for him to fight now if he refused to do that and simply defended his belt according to who whatever belt orgs he had at the time his career would not be the same and fans would of lost out on much better fights.

We can't scream at the belt orgs and rankings, and system for generating mandatories is corrupt and ****** and then at the same time say guys like Floyd and now canelo should rip up their network contracts, sacrifice millions letting a belt org tell them who to fight and then dictate things like purse bids and financial splits on them. You know how much less money Floyd would of made if he had to give up standard 70/30 split which is the lowest amount the champion has to pay the mandatory by WBC purse bid rules and the Challenger can be entitled to as high as 40-45% depending on the situation. You think Floyd after working as hard as he did to get to top and bank major money as the cash cow was going to give up 30-45% of his money to a mandatory that isn't bringing shyt to the table? When he could fight a better fighter that more fans wanted to see and pay him a fraction of that money. Because a flat fee of 5-10% of a Floyd fight is more then 30-45% of every regular fight. You would have to be a idiot to give away that kind of money and negotiating power away. Which is why you Floyd, Oscar, Sugar Ray Leonard and now Canelo are bigger then these belts and mandatories. I trust all these guys to make relevant fights over any belt org today. They are all corrupt and flawed.

Another great comment of this man

But, most of the people is stupi.s

[ShoulderRoll]

The problem is you are assuming the belt orgs are mandating and ranking fighters properly in the first place so you have the best ordered to fight the best which we both know for a fact they aren't. You have guys ranked that are not even considered top 30 ranked for the division like the 1 legged stiff that Charlo had to beat to become number 1 ranked by the WBC in the first place. FACT Charlo hasn't even beaten a top 15 ranked middleweight and the best guy he faced was a late replacement Korobov who many feel he lost to.

GGG fought nothing but mandatories and top ranked guys dictated by the belt orgs and his resume is considered a joke because of it because the truth is almost none of those guys were even considered top 10 Middleweights and there were tons of better fights fans were demanding he make. Canelo has already fought the best he has faced every top guy the fans called for him to fight now if he refused to do that and simply defended his belt according to who whatever belt orgs he had at the time his career would not be the same and fans would of lost out on much better fights.

We can't scream at the belt orgs and rankings, and system for generating mandatories is corrupt and ****** and then at the same time say guys like Floyd and now canelo should rip up their network contracts, sacrifice millions letting a belt org tell them who to fight and then dictate things like purse bids and financial splits on them. You know how much less money Floyd would of made if he had to give up standard 70/30 split which is the lowest amount the champion has to pay the mandatory by WBC purse bid rules and the Challenger can be entitled to as high as 40-45% depending on the situation. You think Floyd after working as hard as he did to get to top and bank major money as the cash cow was going to give up 30-45% of his money to a mandatory that isn't bringing shyt to the table? When he could fight a better fighter that more fans wanted to see and pay him a fraction of that money. Because a flat fee of 5-10% of a Floyd fight is more then 30-45% of every regular fight. You would have to be a idiot to give away that kind of money and negotiating power away. Which is why you Floyd, Oscar, Sugar Ray Leonard and now Canelo are bigger then these belts and mandatories. I trust all these guys to make relevant fights over any belt org today. They are all corrupt and flawed.

Charlo was the WBC champion at 154. When he moved up to 160 the WBC gave him a fight against their #1 contender because of that. Charlo won.

Nothing out of the ordinary there. People need to stop crying about it just because they favor Canelo or hate Charlo/PBC.

There's a bunch of other things wrong with boxing that revolve around putting money above all else. I try to voice my opinion about those too and express what I think the right way is to handle them.

Because at some point people have to care about more than just money.

[JuniorTorres720]

Canelo just shows that politics and money are still a huge part of boxing's underbelly. It's really a shame when a prestigious sanctioning body decides to offer him a "Franchise" Belt and award the regular title to Charlo. It's a political move and shows clear favoritism. I mean, what the heck is a franchise belt? Is it the WBC's version of a super belt? Does that mean Charlo's belt is not a secondary title? Smh.. These are the sad aspects of boxing but it's not just Canelo so let's be fair when criticizing the move.

[bigdunny1]

Charlo was the WBC champion at 154. When he moved up to 160 the WBC gave him a fight against their #1 contender because of that. Charlo won.

Nothing out of the ordinary there. People need to stop crying about it just because they favor Canelo or hate Charlo/PBC.

There's a bunch of other things wrong with boxing that revolve around putting money above all else. I try to voice my opinion about those too and express what I think the right way is to handle them.

Because at some point people have to care about more than just money.

Don't avoid my point did Charlo fight the best to become mandatory yes or no? You prove my point the man who was considered number 1 ranked at WBC was heiland a bum that nobody accepted as even a top 30 ranked middleweight of the world. You defend him being mandatory but refuse to acknowledge the corruption and joke of the WBC rankings that led Charlo to gain that mandatory in the first place. You said best fight the best that doesn't exist in these rankings Charlo didn't ahave to fight the best, while canelo refusig to acknowledge belt orgs just fought the universally accepted number 1 and 2 Middleweights of the world after already beating the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Canelo is alreay fighting the best of the best.

[ShoulderRoll]

Don't avoid my point did Charlo fight the best to become mandatory yes or no? You prove my point the man who was considered number ranked at WBC was heiland a bum that nobody accepted as even a top 30 ranked middleweight of the world. You defend him being mandatory but refuse to acknowledge the corruption and joke of the WBC ranking that led Charlo to gain that mandatory in the first place. You said best fight the best that doesn't exist in these rankings Charlo didn't haven't fight the best, while canelo refusig to acknowledge belt orgs just fought the universally accepted number 1 and 2 Middleweights of the world after already beating the lineal middleweight champion of the world. Canelo is alreay fighting the best of the best.

Charlo was the best at 154. He then fought the WBC #1 contender at 160 and beat him.

Under the existing rules he did earn his spot.

If you want to talk about getting rid of all the sanctioning bodies so that there is only one that all fighters get ranked by? And about improving the way fighters are ranked? I would fully support that as well.

But within the existing system Charlo followed the rules and the WBC should have ordered a mando. Let's have some transparency in the sport instead of constantly moving the goalposts when it suits us.