Comments Thread For: Andrade: GGG Beat #81 in The World Rolls, I'm Fighting Real Guys!

[Boxing_1013]

Give it up! Ggg needed a year off to heal his beaten up face!

Winning the rounds in your opinion. Landing jabs all night.
And when ggg did fight, it was too late.

The Mexican style champion came out and showed he's a good but not great champ.

Ggg is Mr. No challenges.

Man in all my years scoring boxing I have just honestly never really seen pretty clear decisions not get shaded pretty universally to the guy who was doing the things GGG was doing in there...punch impact matters as well, this is true...but when you punch as well and precise as GGG does, and have all that activity it just leads to a lot of clear rounds for him and a lot of close rounds otherwise.

All I can say is if Jacobs and Canelo fought the fight GGG did, and vice versa, I would have the same scores? Idk if that helps lol...I just don't really think those fights were really that hard to judge and were pretty straightforward...and if dudes can't really give him credit for those wins it's hard to ever see him getting credit from them if he ever goes 12 rounds lol.

As an example you could have a fight where one guy wins 5 clear rounds...the other guy 0...but someone could say fighter A only had 3 clear rounds and the other guy had 3 as well...and then split the other close rounds 5-1 lol...idk man I just think when two men step in the ring they deserve to be treated fairly and I don't see a favorite when I go in the ring...I'm just scoring the action.

In a 12 round fight it will always be very hard for one fighter to convincingly win at least 7 rounds, to the point where even the detractors of that fighter acknowledge he won...at the top level when it goes 12 rounds there are obviously some close rounds in there almost certainly...but yeah looking at punch impact and punches landed I just don't really see the hate for GGG on those 3 fights...some people not giving him any credit for stuff like that just makes any valid criticism of him fall a little flat imo.

Oh well, agree to disagree I guess lol.

[Ake-Dawg]

Thing is though...how many wins against HOFs in their prime, at their preferred weight, does anyone have on their resume?...just hardly ever happens ya know.

I mean GGG pretty clearly beat Canelo twice (when you outland a guy 10/11 rounds (1 tie) and 8/11 rounds (1 tie) that usually tells the story...and he doesn't really get anything but criticism for those fights and the Jacobs fight, which was pretty straightforward as well (9/11 rounds, 1 tie).

Just seems like if people aren't going to give him credit where he clearly deserves it, they will probably overlook other positives about him as well...just seems as though many on here have a blind spot for GGG and find it hard to really give him some credit.

So yeah no real HOFs in their prime for GGG (other than Canelo which again I think people should credit him for but they seem to not want to...and again if the criteria for getting an acknowledged win is a KO...then a good win would never happen ya know).

But GGG does have about 15 good fighters, all in their prime, all at their best weight or close to it (Brook a notable exception) who he dominated and KOed...that's really impressive actually...better imo than a Canelo 12 round decision against Mosley at 152 or Cotto at 155 ya know...Idk I just don't really see the over the top stuff about GGG's resume

Murray, Macklin, Geale, Rosado, Stevens, Ouma, Brook, Monroe, Vanes, Rolls, Ishida, Adama, Lemieux, Rubio, Proksa...15 guys all by KO, all solid enough, all in their prime basically...idk I just feel like if the dude was a bum it would have been exposed in way greater detail than it has been lol...like one of those dudes would have gone 12 with him or maybe even beaten him one night...just think he deserves a lot more credit...when you factor in the amateur career it is pretty clear he is the real deal

Its not about not giving he ANY credit...its about only giving him credit for what he did and not more. He has fought 2 fighters who had any remote possibility of winning. The other guys were C and D level. All the credit people want to give him for bum bashing and his amateur record gets tossed due to avoiding the Ward, Lara, Dervy, and now Andrade fights.

[Boxing_1013]

Its not about not giving he ANY credit...its about only giving him credit for what he did and not more. He has fought 2 fighters who had any remote possibility of winning. The other guys were C and D level. All the credit people want to give him for bum bashing and his amateur record gets tossed due to avoiding the Ward, Lara, Dervy, and now Andrade fights.

Lol idk man we just evaluate that stuff completely differently my friend...but to each his own...agree to disagree I suppose.

I would say that no one was actually giving Jacobs any chance going in because of his chin...but since that has been holding up for Danny and that was his only big flaw, he is obviously a really tough out for anyone.

But going in a few of those he fought did have a chance..Lemieux especially was getting hyped up in that fight...just think most of them had no chance because GGG was that good...and I think those guys proved that in other fights they had where it just showed GGG was on a different level...would say they were all B and maybe a couple C level guys.

Ishida for example being one of his worst wins...just went 12 rounds with Paul Williams and Pirog...and had KOed Kirkland in 1...and GGG put him out in 3 rounds...just think of how well GGG did his job against those guys was very impressive.

The other stuff about avoiding I just didn't see any of that my friend...pretty clear a lot of guys at 160 or around didn't want any part of GGG for a while because he was so high risk and low reward...but oh well we can agree to disagree, thanks for your thoughts :0

[Sweet_Science2]

Bro...how can you say a guy clearly got outboxed or beat up when he outlanded the opponent in 27/33 (3 ties) of the rounds he boxed against those guys lol, and even the people who really don't like him acknowledge that he is a big puncher, so he was definitely winning a lot of those rounds...I mean I get it if some people just don't like him but some of the narratives out there about him are a little strange honestly.

Canelo beat lil g in his own style of fighting. The first fight they said Canelo ran? Right or wrong? So Canelo said okay I will fight him straight up which is supposed to favor lil g. Canelo did WAY more damage and controlled and won that fight.

If they fight again Canelo will win again. Even easier. When Canelo tried to fight Floyd and Lara in their style he got out boxed. But he was able to beat lil g in his style. Age is not an excuse.

Because Floyd and ggg was both 36 when they fought Canelo. And Floyd was WAY smaller on fight night against Canelo than ggg was.

Lil g is a hype job cause he looks and appeals to white people in America. The same people that Loved lil g for his knock outs don't like Wilder who knocks everybody out. I wonder why?

[Boxing_1013]

Canelo beat lil g in his own style of fighting. The first fight they said Canelo ran? Right or wrong? So Canelo said okay I will fight him straight up which is supposed to favor lil g. Canelo did WAY more damage and controlled and won that fight.

If they fight again Canelo will win again. Even easier. When Canelo tried to fight Floyd and Lara in their style he got out boxed. But he was able to beat lil g in his style. Age is not an excuse.

Because Floyd and ggg was both 36 when they fought Canelo. And Floyd was WAY smaller on fight night against Canelo than ggg was.

Lil g is a hype job cause he looks and appeals to white people in America. The same people that Loved lil g for his knock outs don't like Wilder who knocks everybody out. I wonder why?

I mean yeah race I think always helps people relate to guys and root for them...in general it is a good unifying thing but yeah sometimes it can have downsides too...can lead to actively rooting against.

I hear what you're saying on a lot of points...I was impressed with some things Jacobs did in the GGG fight...same with Canelo in his first fight with GGG...and thought Canelo being able to hold the center of the ring with GGG in fight 2 was really impressive.

But I mean fights are scored by punches landed and their impact ya know...so yeah I just think based on what I saw those 3 fights were all straightforward enough for GGG...all I can say I guess is if Jacobs and Canelo fought GGG's fight and vice versa...I would have scored it clearly for them.

Honestly my friend it seems like a lot of your critique of GGG is based on your appreciation for Floyd and Wilder and other guys who may be in your 'tribe'...that's all well and good, i think again that race can be a good unifier and help people come together and get behind certain fighters and relate to them and root for them.

But when scoring a fight I am just looking at what happened in the ring...let the best man win...Floyd was obviously great but the overall circumstances of his fight with Canelo were different than GGG's fight ya know...idk I just don't really get into trying to slight a guy just to try and prop up my guys...I know it is probably tough sometimes but I think I owe it to any man who steps in that ring to treat him equally when they square off.

I think Floyd was great for sure...but there are some valid things to critique about him or his career, just like with any fighter...some people go overboard with the fighter criticisms on here though and are petty with the comments and I think Floyd gets too much sh.it imo...

Regarding Wilder...I think a lot of it is just being able to relate to a fighter, as far as rooting for them...if you can more easily relate to Wilder, you will find it easier to root for him, vs say a GGG...race plays a role in that but I don't necessarily think it has to be a negative thing.

I would say Wilder is really improving and is compiling quite a list of good clear wins on his resume...I love when a guy gets KOs because then there can be very little discussion about who won the fight ya know lol...I also thought the draw vs Fury was fair...Fury didn't do much in the first 6 rounds I felt those were even rounds.

So yeah man I just try to call it like I see it...I understand your frustrations though...some things out there are hard to rationalize but my friendly advice would be to try to not let it bother you and just worry about what you can control...seems to have been Mayweather's mindset overall and look how successful he was, in the ring and out.

[alexjust]

So Mayweather who fights at 147 is expected to beat Middle weights? And Canelo had the heart to fight Lara who would have EASILY outboxed pussie g.

Pussi g is a fuucking fraud. His fans are bytches to. He was scared of Ward, Lara, Charlo and Andrade.

I noticed with those 4 names at the time each fighter wanted to fight pussie g you fans of lil g say EVERYTHING but you want to see those fights.

Straight pussie! What has he done? Who has he fought? Yet when it comes to bums like Wade, Monroe, Rolls, Vanes, Adama, Macklin, Rubio, no requirements for them.

Pussie g is a bytch and scared of Charlo and Andrade. He already ducked Ward and Lara. Fuuck pussie g and his fans

If it wasn't for the "***** g" I'd think you had a normal development for a 15 y.o. But you really killed it for yourself..I'd give you no more than 12 want some candy? I can't take you seriously enough to give a substantive response.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Andrade will lose against Sulecki.

[Liondw]

I don't know if Andrade can beat Golovkin, but GGG didn't look good against a guy nobody ever heard of. Rolls even won a round as well. To be fair to Andrade; he stepped up to fight Saunders, and then the failed test happened for Billy Joe, and that was a fight we all wanted to see.

[Ake-Dawg]

Lol idk man we just evaluate that stuff completely differently my friend...but to each his own...agree to disagree I suppose.

I would say that no one was actually giving Jacobs any chance going in because of his chin...but since that has been holding up for Danny and that was his only big flaw, he is obviously a really tough out for anyone.

But going in a few of those he fought did have a chance..Lemieux especially was getting hyped up in that fight...just think most of them had no chance because GGG was that good...and I think those guys proved that in other fights they had where it just showed GGG was on a different level...would say they were all B and maybe a couple C level guys.

Ishida for example being one of his worst wins...just went 12 rounds with Paul Williams and Pirog...and had KOed Kirkland in 1...and GGG put him out in 3 rounds...just think of how well GGG did his job against those guys was very impressive.

The other stuff about avoiding I just didn't see any of that my friend...pretty clear a lot of guys at 160 or around didn't want any part of GGG for a while because he was so high risk and low reward...but oh well we can agree to disagree, thanks for your thoughts :0

Did not GGG avoid those fighters? Andrade twice! Weren't Lara, Ward, and Saunders at or around 160 asking for a fight? For the last 4 years GGG has been on a Canelo or bum tactic outside of being mandated to fight Jacobs. I just don't get it. How does GGG get credit for fighters avoiding him because he was high risk low reward but not lose credit for avoiding fighters because they were high risk low reward (compared to an Alvarez purse).

[LetOutTheCage]

Andrade really shouldn't be opening these can of worms given his own resume