Comments Thread For: Andy Ruiz: I Know Joshua's Flaws, He's Not a Good Boxer

[apollocreed]

I'm just stating facts. Wilder broke his hand early in Stiverne 1 & he landed just 70 punches vs Fury.

Tyson & Lewis' opponents took HUNDREDS punches clean on the chin and these are the supposedly the heaviest hitters in the divison.

So if these guys are the hardest hitters in the division therefore everyone else in the divison doesn't hit that hard.

Briggs could throw but he wasn't that great, the dude arguably lost to an obese Foreman and Botha.

Likewise Tua, also one of the biggest punchers, used to get out boxed like Jeff Wooden (arguably lost) & Maskaev (until he KOd him late).

Same thing with Mercer, a draw vs 7-9 Marion Wilson, SD to 20-10 Ferguson etc.

You’re making irrelevant arguments - I never said how good I thought Briggs was. That wasn’t my point. My point was that he was a very powerful puncher, which you have already agreed with. Same for Mercer. Nothing to do with their records and rating their careers.
You’re trying to deflect from my original, only, and simple to understand point - Lewis could not have had a weak chin, he beat dozens of very big punchers and was only dropped twice in his whole career. A fighter with a weak chin could not do that.
The two punches that resulted in him being stopped were massive shots, and he still got up from both of them.

Regarding your other, also wrong, point - just because Tyson and Lewis took more shots to get rid of opponents, that does not mean their power was over rated.
That is another very dumb argument.
The talent pool in the 90’s was much stronger at heavyweight - you can argue otherwise, but again you’d be talking ****. The talent pool today is very shallow.
Better fighters take longer to get rid of - they are more durable, experienced, absorb and ride shots better etc.
As I’ve already said, you can try and deflect and avoid my point, but Lewis did not have a weak chin. It would be impossible for him to beat everybody he did and only get dropped twice in his while career.
Vlad did have a weak chin - he was stopped 4 times and dropped several more.

[apollocreed]

Remember when the Brits were saying how "skilled" AJ was.

I just want to point out that that is a massive generalisation - I’m British, and me and plenty of other British fans never rated Joshua and knew he was massively over hyped by Hearn.

[champion4ever]

Blah blah... Please.. just hatred from you people

Thanks, new Alt man; Obviously you are a coward. If you weren't, then you would have step to me with your primary user account handle and not hide behind a fake one.

[hugh grant]

Ok. We know ruiz was confident he could beat josh now he knows he can. Does ruiz feel the same about wilder?
How bad a boxer does ruiz think wilder is?
Wilder hoped he could beat fury, rather than was confident. Now wilder is uncertain of beating fury

[champion4ever]

Joshua should heed the advice of George Foreman and "Let sleeping dogs lie". Ruiz should be avoided at all cost because AJ is not ready for him yet.

He needs more time to develop and correct his mistakes. The kid simply needs more experience and seasoning in order to defeat Andy Ruiz, Jr.

The only scenario I can see Joshua defeating Ruiz is by sticking and moving by fighting off the back foot. However, He just can't move but he also has to punch.

That is going to require a lot of energy and stamina. He would have to lose a minimum of at least 25 lbs or more to pull that one off because at 250 lbs; He'll be just too heavy with all those muscles to box like that.

[arraamis]

Andy Ruiz is not buying any of the excuses being circulated for the shocking defeat of Anthony Joshua. Back on June 1, at Madison Square Garden in New York City, Ruiz stunned the entire industry when he stopped Joshua in seven rounds to capture the WBO, IBO, IBF, WBA world titles.
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OUCH!!!!

[elfag]

Gee Andy Ruiz is a regular Sherlock Holmes. Of course Andy, the ENTIRE WORLD KNOWS JOSHUA IS NOT A GOOD BOXER.

1. He is a quitter
2. His chin is pure glass
3. Folds under pressure
4. Punching power was vastly overrated


need I go on?

Joshua was EXPOSED

[Cutthroat]

You’re making irrelevant arguments - I never said how good I thought Briggs was. That wasn’t my point. My point was that he was a very powerful puncher, which you have already agreed with. Same for Mercer. Nothing to do with their records and rating their careers.
You’re trying to deflect from my original, only, and simple to understand point - Lewis could not have had a weak chin, he beat dozens of very big punchers and was only dropped twice in his whole career. A fighter with a weak chin could not do that.
The two punches that resulted in him being stopped were massive shots, and he still got up from both of them.

Regarding your other, also wrong, point - just because Tyson and Lewis took more shots to get rid of opponents, that does not mean their power was over rated.
That is another very dumb argument.
The talent pool in the 90’s was much stronger at heavyweight - you can argue otherwise, but again you’d be talking ****. The talent pool today is very shallow.
Better fighters take longer to get rid of - they are more durable, experienced, absorb and ride shots better etc.
As I’ve already said, you can try and deflect and avoid my point, but Lewis did not have a weak chin. It would be impossible for him to beat everybody he did and only get dropped twice in his while career.
Vlad did have a weak chin - he was stopped 4 times and dropped several more.

It's not irrelevant because EVERYONE at HW has KO power. KO power is irrelevant when you don't have other skills to back it up. A guy like David Price for example hits very hard but does he have the skill to back up it up? No. Is he a threat to the champions? No. You can go up and down the list and find hundreds of guys like that in boxing. Almost all of Wilder's opponents have had KO power, whether it was Eric Molina, Gerald Washington, or Szpilka.

It's like you cant go from struggling with a 7-9 part time journeyman to world class over night, at least in this era. Or getting starched by some no name like Briggs or going life and death with an old obese Foreman.

So if it takes a guy 1 shot to KO opponents and another hundreds of shots, it doesn't mean the guy that can 1 punch KO people hits harder? That makes zero sense.

The 90s talent pool was NOT deeper, nor were international boxers better. The world population has literally increased by 2 BILLION people since the 90s.

We have the best and first Mexican HW all time, and we are seeing guys among ALL divisions from different countries the best their country has ever produced.

Examples:
Ruiz, BEST Mexican HW of all time

Gilberto Ramirez, David Benavidez, BEST Mexican SMWs and LHWs of all time.

Briedis-Best Latvian fighter all time.

ggg-Best Kazakh fighter of all time

Usyk-best Euro cruiser all time.

Beterbiev-Best Chechnyan fighter of all time.

Etc.

I'm not talking **** I'm holding guys to the SAME standards that you're not.

[uppercut510]

aj is not a great boxer and is vastly over hyped, he does some things good but its time to be honest.... you aj fanatics really need to stop, the guy was never that great and has major flaws that need to be fixed before putting him on a pedestal

[markther]