Which one has a more legit claim to a WBC title fight

[paulf]

How many eliminators has he been offered and fought to become mandatory?

Okay, I'll bite:

He accepted the one where the WBC ordered him and Breazeale to fight for the mandatory position.

You remember, right? The one where the WBC ordered the two of them to fight for the mandatory, Hearn made Breazeale an offer to fight on the Joshua-Takam card? And then Breazeale and Haymon turned it down to fight Molina instead a month later? Ring a bell?

So Breazeale turns it down, Whyte fights Helenius, Breazeale fights Molina.

And then, months later, the WBC declares Breazeale-Molina was the final eliminator for the mandatory position.

So Whyte isnt the mandatory because he turned down a "second mandatory" eliminator against Ortiz, when he'd already accepted an actual mandatory eliminator, but the WBC still made the other guy the mandatory when he turned the eliminator down.

..... that sounds legit to you? You don't think the WBC is bending over backwards to avoid making Whyte the mandatory?

Believe what you want I guess.

[Boxing_1013]

They already ordered the Golovkin fight but are ultimately they can't enforce it because GGG isn't their champion.

got ya, thanks man, that makes sense I suppose...yeah that whole situation was weird to me lol...like it seemed it was mandated and then basically immediately everyone blew it off and it was over, and Charlo and his team seemed to not mind either...hopefully he gets a shot soon and a good payday..

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Hasn't Whyte only ever been offered secondary eliminators by the WBC instead of a final eliminator? He's beaten enough of their top ranked opponents to earn it easily anyway. The time that he's been at #1 with no shot is sickening and it's so weird to me how many similarities Wilder and Adonis Stevenson had in terms of how their careers progressed. They've been handled by the WBC the exact same because in both instances they're catering to inferior boxers who albeit have incredible power and therefore are exciting to watch and viewed as big threats.

Whyte has been offered final eliminators, but claims he turned them down because his shot would have come after Breazeale.

But if he won the final eliminator, he'd be mandatory right now instead of still complaining.

The problem seems to be that Whyte wants to fight someone of his choosing to become mandatory and the WBC wants him to fight someone of their choosing to become mandatory.

[Motorcity Cobra]

Hasn't Whyte only ever been offered secondary eliminators by the WBC instead of a final eliminator?

Breazeale earned his mandatory shot & Whyte was offered an eliminator to be the mandatory after the Breazeale fight. Meaning had Whyte taken it and won he would be the mandatory now.

The real issue is Hearn kept spinning Whyte to keep him lined up for the AJ rematch. That's also why Hearn had Whyte turn down the IBF eliminator. Now that AJ has loss & Whyte/AJ is no longer a big fight now he wants to get indignant. He did Whyte wrong making him turn down those eliminators. He could've been the IBF or WBC mandatory by now if he hadn't listened to Hearn

[Motorcity Cobra]

Okay, I'll bite:

He accepted the one where the WBC ordered him and Breazeale to fight for the mandatory position.

You remember, right? The one where the WBC ordered the two of them to fight for the mandatory, Hearn made Breazeale an offer to fight on the Joshua-Takam card? And then Breazeale and Haymon turned it down to fight Molina instead a month later? Ring a bell?

So Breazeale turns it down, Whyte fights Helenius, Breazeale fights Molina.

And then, months later, the WBC declares Breazeale-Molina was the final eliminator for the mandatory position.

So Whyte isnt the mandatory because he turned down a "second mandatory" eliminator against Ortiz, when he'd already accepted an actual mandatory eliminator, but the WBC still made the other guy the mandatory when he turned the eliminator down.

..... that sounds legit to you? You don't think the WBC is bending over backwards to avoid making Whyte the mandatory?

Believe what you want I guess.

How could he offer him to fight on the Joshua/Takam UC when Breazeale was scheduled to fight Stiverne for the elimination only a couple of weeks later? Then Ortiz got popped so Stiverne was moved up & Molina became the eliminator for Breazeale.

Breazeale vs Whyte wasn't ordered until this year.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Okay, I'll bite:

He accepted the one where the WBC ordered him and Breazeale to fight for the mandatory position.

You remember, right? The one where the WBC ordered the two of them to fight for the mandatory, Hearn made Breazeale an offer to fight on the Joshua-Takam card? And then Breazeale and Haymon turned it down to fight Molina instead a month later? Ring a bell?

Why didn't Hearn demand a purse bid? I get confused when I see this argument. Whether it's Whyte vs. Breazeale, Whyte vs. Fury, Whyte vs. Ortiz or Whyte vs. anyone else, why doesn't Hearn just ask the WBC to order Whyte vs. the highest available contender to become the mandatory?

What Hearn seems to be trying to do is pick Whyte's opponent, in this case #10 Rivas, and then demand it be a final eliminator, even if #2-9 were willing to take the fight. It doesn't work like that.

[_Rexy_]

Haney is set to make a final eliminator with Zaur Abdullaev so that'll all be sorted soon. Dillian Whyte has been the #1 contender for over 600 days which is a record so you kinda have to give it to him.

Dillian Whyte has never been the #1 contender for the WBC heavyweight title


So he's tied for me, and everyone else on this board for the longest running time for not being #1 contender.

[_Rexy_]

Jermall Charlo is the real answer.

I think they know Haney has a better chance at winning the title when Arum completes his little lw tournament. At least, I hope they do....

Charlo definitely getting screwed. He doesn't seem to be complaining about it though.

Charlo having a hard enough time showing up for drug tests. No way does he want to be VADA 24/7/365. Letting them know where he is at all times so he can get tested. That's likely why he's not complaining.

[DARTH SILKWORMS]

Dillian Whyte has never been the #1 contender for the WBC heavyweight title


So he's tied for me, and everyone else on this board for the longest running time for not being #1 contender.

Whyte is the #1 rated contender, but there is a big difference between being rated #1 and being the mandatory. For whatever reason, it seems Whyte is unwilling to face a top rated contender in a final eliminator.

[_Rexy_]

Whyte is the #1 rated contender, but there is a big difference between being rated #1 and being the mandatory. For whatever reason, it seems Whyte is unwilling to face a top rated contender in a final eliminator.

Exactly. Him and Hearn keep saying that #1 = #1 contender and the casuals are eating it up.