If GGG is such an overrated bum, then what does that make Canelo?

[ruedboy]

Borat could have 1,000 defenses if he keeps fighting kell brook. Doesnt really mean much. Now I dont think beating Fielding is a great win for Canelo but when you weigh in that it's his 3rd division it adds merit.

Doesn't mean much that Golovkin ties for most successful MW title defenses in boxing history. OK, enough said.

[Gigantes]

I see a lot of GGG bashing threads and posts going. Everything from he's overrated, a bum who only fights bums, he's trash, he's washed up, etc. Well, if you feel that way, then what does that say about Canelo? He fought an "overrated bum" to a draw and barely squeaked out a win in the rematch.

If you are bashing GGG, you are essentially bashing Canelo, because his best win to date is GGG, and that one is disputed by many boxing analysts, boxers and fans alike. How are you going to call a guy an overrated bum and then give Canelo full credit for beating him if you truly believe he is a bum, and how were the fights so close?

yea man it doesn't make sense.

same with Ward. european fighters are bums/hype jobs/etc yet his best wins come from those fighters lol

only when it fits their agenda

someone's a bum, but if their guy beats them, they're elite

[CHOWWOKKA]

Doesn't mean much that Golovkin ties for most successful MW title defenses in boxing history. OK, enough said.

You realize he tied it fighting Vanes... are you not understanding that who you fight matters.. you can't just pull accomplishments out of your ass and expect them to mean something.

[Derranged]

An overrated bum who got a gift the first fight and barely squeezed by the second fight.

[4truth]

Agree 100% I think canelo is a cheat. I think Goldenboy is corrupt and he should not be as glorified as he is. That being said he still managed to do what GGG couldn't do and that's go up in division which is why GGG is an over rated bum

Really? So why is it important for a fighter to move up in weight? In Canelo's case it had a lot to do with growing up, he started fighting professionally as a kid. An example was that he originally offered to fight Floyd at 150, by the time they took him up on it he couldn't even make 152 anymore without being drained. After that it seems very likely he was only able to stay at 154 by using PEDs. When that didn't quite do it anymore he was forced to fight at 155.

So tell me why it is that moving up in weight is so important to a fighter's legacy.

[Larry the boss]

GGG is what he is man, just let it go and move on..its all down hill from here

[CHOWWOKKA]

Really? So why is it important for a fighter to move up in weight? In Canelo's case it had a lot to do with growing up, he started fighting professionally as a kid. An example was that he originally offered to fight Floyd at 150, by the time they took him up on it he couldn't even make 152 anymore without being drained. After that it seems very likely he was only able to stay at 154 by using PEDs. When that didn't quite do it anymore he was forced to fight at 155.

So tell me why it is that moving up in weight is so important to a fighter's legacy.

Fighting a bigger opponent is more challenging. Are you saying fighters shouldn't challenge themselves? Why even fight for a title? Why not just fight losing records? Again I ask, go to boxrecs p4p and pick out the fighters who stayed in one division. Now I'd that division was on fire I could understand that, unfortunately for Borat fighting Vanes and Kell Brook does not mean much.

[M Bison]

Agree 100% I think canelo is a cheat. I think Goldenboy is corrupt and he should not be as glorified as he is. That being said he still managed to do what GGG couldn't do and that's go up in division which is why GGG is an over rated bum

That is fine by me, I can understand why people wanted GGG to go up to 168 and it was only for Ward which has now gone. Regardless, I don't think staking your claim to just one division makes you any lesser of a fighter because Hagler, Monzon are all highly respected.

[M Bison]

You don't know a damn thing about what your talking about you racist coward. Look at our own country the united states the largest purchaser in the world of drugs & sex slavery,murder,child ******ation,child pörnography etc.,rampant degeneracy etc., institutionalized corruption,war capitalism,illegal arm & drug deals,Cia funded smuggling,renditions, assasinations, overthrowing ********ically elected governments etc.

The united states glorifies ***** & Trump(far more corrupt & evil than anyone in Mexico,they glorify billy the kid,john dillinger,Charles Manson, Jeffrey Dahmer,ted bundy & william gacey.
countless worse

Before you talk out of your imbecilic arse next time stop & think whether you sound like an ignorant mongoloid.

As for the rest of what you claim lets start with the 1st things judges.

Canelo has fought in vegas like 10x now & has gotten 2 favorable scorecards,while 99% of all fighters gets 11 rds to 1 decisions daily & gggfanbois don't bat an eye. Ggg got gifted a win vs Jacobs by a margin of 3 rds which is very wide. Those were 2 of the same exact judges that were picked for both canelo fights.

As for Clenbuterol,he had very low levels of clen over a 3 day span which vada agreed was consistent with clen meat eaten daily in mexico by 100% of the population over an entire lifetime, clenbuterol which fifa studies showed hold no benefit to athletes & is in all the finest meat & cheapest both in Mexico.

Wow, brain washed. There is no saving this kind of ******. Like I said, you glorify a guy who is responsible for millions of deaths, muh El Chapo.

You clearly haven't read into clenbuterol, it is used as a masking agent for other more potent drugs. It is what Armstrong done you thicko.

[4truth]

Fighting a bigger opponent is more challenging. Are you saying fighters shouldn't challenge themselves? Why even fight for a title? Why not just fight losing records? Again I ask, go to boxrecs p4p and pick out the fighters who stayed in one division. Now I'd that division was on fire I could understand that, unfortunately for Borat fighting Vanes and Kell Brook does not mean much.

Here's the thing and the problem I have with giving fighters credit for "moving up" Canelo didn't actually move up to challenge himself he simply could not keep from moving up. He was a 170+ pound fighter dehydrated down to 154 (and then 155).

Look at Crawford. Is Crawford moving up to challenge himself or is he 150+ pound fighter who has been squeezing himself into weight classes like 135 where he never belonged in the first place.

Did Ward move up? Not really, he simply could not make 168 anymore. Ward and Kovalev are the same size and have been for years.

Golovkin is 160, probably he could have fought at 154 earlier in his career but would have had to do some serious dehydrating to do it. My thinking is that Golovkin staying at the weight class he belongs in is more credible than squeezing himself down to a weight class he doesn't really belong in.