Wilder/Joshua compared to Vitali/Wladimir

[Quaccey]

It is interesting how we see things totally opposite.
I think it was Wilder's golden chance. Fury wasn't even close to his top level (level that beat Wlad). Inactive for many years, didn't have a serious fight since Wlad's fight, just lost something like 100 pounds, etc...

I don't dislike Wilder (not sure how you got that one), and I certainly don't think Fury needs any magic to beat Wilder.

He needs to repeat what he did already and be a bit more elusive which he will be. I don't like him fighting Toms of the world, but can understand why he didn't take the rematch immediately. He will insist on different venue, maybe different split and fair judging. All reasonable demands, IMO.

Man Wilder was the one active and had just proved himself against Ortiz. How was it his golden chance? U know that was everyone's excuse if fury lost. That version of Fury wouldn't be denied, but at the end he was. If Wilder only has to land once to do fury in then he has to do exactly what he did and that was be patient and time him, which he did. While Fury is fighting Tom Wilder is fighting the guy who people cry over still not the fight I'd like, but how do you understand the Tom fight? He's more unknown than Ruiz was and people know Andy.

Not even sure he commands that type of power to demand anything he didn't win he just raised his stock with fans. Didn't you say you hope Wilder loses to ortiz and hope Fury wins? Even a blind man can see the disdain you have. His money will be the same give or take some. Only two heavyweights matter Wilder and Fury they've proven themselves more on a higher level, so put the disdain in your pocket and let's see how this game goes now.

[jdp28tx]

No ****, Steward has been dead for years. I'm just saying he needs to find a coach that'll work on a safety first style with him, a style that'll play to his height and size. There are plenty of that in the US or back home.



That's just dumb. Foreman Ali and Norton would be tiny compared to the top heavyweight giants today. Boxing like any other sport is constantly evolving. Nutrition has evolved. Training has evolved. Simple science. Nostalgia talk is foolish.

You are not very bright are you. My guess is you rode the short bus to school and your teachers used the word "special" a lot when discussing you with your parents.

[AJ's Boy]

You are not very bright are you. My guess is you rode the short bus to school and your teachers used the word "special" a lot when discussing you with your parents.

Lmao get your butthurt ass out of here. My guess is that you were breastfed by your Dad as a kid.

Hey bro, that wasn't milk....... just sayin. :wank:

[Simurgh]

Man Wilder was the one active and had just proved himself against Ortiz. How was it his golden chance? U know that was everyone's excuse if fury lost. That version of Fury wouldn't be denied, but at the end he was. If Wilder only has to land once to do fury in then he has to do exactly what he did and that was be patient and time him, which he did. While Fury is fighting Tom Wilder is fighting the guy who people cry over still not the fight I'd like, but how do you understand the Tom fight? He's more unknown than Ruiz was and people know Andy.

Not even sure he commands that type of power to demand anything he didn't win he just raised his stock with fans. Didn't you say you hope Wilder loses to ortiz and hope Fury wins? Even a blind man can see the disdain you have. His money will be the same give or take some. Only two heavyweights matter Wilder and Fury they've proven themselves more on a higher level, so put the disdain in your pocket and let's see how this game goes now.

Ok.... I need you to drop your pre-assumptions and actually read what I have wrote:

"I hope Wilder loses to Ortiz, and Fury loses to that German guy". Go to the 2nd page and check for yourself.

On a contrary, even a blind man can see you are not reading but assuming, so don't assume I dislike Wilder, I don't.

As for the golden chance - I am talking about the chance of beating the other guy. Wilder had the best chance to beat Fury after all the mess Fury went through and his inactivity. I cannot see him being worse, but only better.

I don't like Tom fight at all, but I can understand it. Loads of money, easy opponent, hoping to get a better deal, feeling you already beat Wilder in eyes of most people...

[Blackclouds]

if Vitali and Vlad were around now they'd be in the mix but no need to act all high and mighty about them, they are far from unbeatable. Vitali was lucky to catch Lennox on like a 10 day notice, the fight resembled a sparring war where they just went at it with no gameplan with no regard to defense, maybe some lack of respect on Lennox's part underestimating his opponent. A real training camp and that fight turns out differently. Vlad ofcourse, lost to B level competition, and power punchers is his kryptonite. Didn't rematch Corrie Sanders (ducked) because he would've been KO'd again (given his spirited willing to die in the ring performance against Vitali) and he would not have resurrected his career. Wilder would likely knock out both of them. AJ at this point is broken.

[Quaccey]

Ok.... I need you to drop your pre-assumptions and actually read what I have wrote:

"I hope Wilder loses to Ortiz, and Fury loses to that German guy". Go to the 2nd page and check for yourself.

On a contrary, even a blind man can see you are not reading but assuming, so don't assume I dislike Wilder, I don't.

As for the golden chance - I am talking about the chance of beating the other guy. Wilder had the best chance to beat Fury after all the mess Fury went through and his inactivity. I cannot see him being worse, but only better.

I don't like Tom fight at all, but I can understand it. Loads of money, easy opponent, hoping to get a better deal, feeling you already beat Wilder in eyes of most people...

I must've sped past that, my bad on that, but you gotta do better no way he loses to Ortiz. Ortiz hasn't looked good since that fight, but I don't wanna hear about his age either you know?

Almost like if I said I hope Wladimir beats Fury in a rematch, wouldn't happen and somebody could say "oh **** you hate Fury" which isn't the case and wouldn't fit anywhere like you hoping Ortiz gets Wilder. Wilder has the hand speed to catch Fury just has to apply his self and be in a better head space for this fight.

I don't see Tom doing it for him at all, but who knows this is boxing right? Anything can happen and like Saturday Fury could get 50 million for Tom who knows.

I don't see how Fury does better especially if Wilder keeps his composure it'll be a short night. Let me say this though that's the only reason I took such offense to it, and let it stand I kind of agreed with you, but I don't see the rematch being more of the same, and there's nothing wrong with either of them coming up short in that fight. They'll always be the most dominant two players at the weight.

[Simurgh]

I must've sped past that, my bad on that, but you gotta do better no way he loses to Ortiz. Ortiz hasn't looked good since that fight, but I don't wanna hear about his age either you know?

Almost like if I said I hope Wladimir beats Fury in a rematch, wouldn't happen and somebody could say "oh **** you hate Fury" which isn't the case and wouldn't fit anywhere like you hoping Ortiz gets Wilder. Wilder has the hand speed to catch Fury just has to apply his self and be in a better head space for this fight.

I don't see Tom doing it for him at all, but who knows this is boxing right? Anything can happen and like Saturday Fury could get 50 million for Tom who knows.

I don't see how Fury does better especially if Wilder keeps his composure it'll be a short night. Let me say this though that's the only reason I took such offense to it, and let it stand I kind of agreed with you, but I don't see the rematch being more of the same, and there's nothing wrong with either of them coming up short in that fight. They'll always be the most dominant two players at the weight.

I'll need to quote myself again

"I haven’t said it is likely. I fully expect them both to win and win well. I am just annoyed that Wilder/AJ hasn’t happened before this fiasco. It would have been an amazing build up and would increase the whole sport."

The only reason I said I hope they ALL loose is that I am annoyed by them not making the fights we want to see.

I agree with the statement Wilder and Fury being on top of the division. I think AJ will beat Ruiz well in the rematch and hold 3 belts again, so the argument of them 3 being on the top will remain. Honestly, I don't even care, I just want them to fight each other before those fights loose all their appeal.

[Quaccey]

I'll need to quote myself again

"I haven’t said it is likely. I fully expect them both to win and win well. I am just annoyed that Wilder/AJ hasn’t happened before this fiasco. It would have been an amazing build up and would increase the whole sport."

The only reason I said I hope they ALL loose is that I am annoyed by them not making the fights we want to see.

I agree with the statement Wilder and Fury being on top of the division. I think AJ will beat Ruiz well in the rematch and hold 3 belts again, so the argument of them 3 being on the top will remain. Honestly, I don't even care, I just want them to fight each other before those fights loose all their appeal.

Kind of sounds like you'd like them to lose, so that AJ won't be the only one with a L on resume. You're right it's not likely by a long shot glad we agree on that.

Seems like it's not as easy it appears looking from the outside. Maybe if we had people drop game we'd understand you can't force anyone to fight you and you can't stay on the shelf waiting for a particular fight forever dragging its feet.

Doesn't seem like AJ was really that keen on moving forward, better preparation and it still end bad. Or better yet could end bad, that's another conversation for another day though not this one.

[nacho daddy]

Vitali was much more superior fighter than any of these guys. Just look back what he did to prime Arreola 10 years ago in Los Angeles. The same Arreola that is some how relevant even now?

also Chris Nipple was way better then ruiz who KO'd juicehua

[Simurgh]

Kind of sounds like you'd like them to lose, so that AJ won't be the only one with a L on resume. You're right it's not likely by a long shot glad we agree on that.

Seems like it's not as easy it appears looking from the outside. Maybe if we had people drop game we'd understand you can't force anyone to fight you and you can't stay on the shelf waiting for a particular fight forever dragging its feet.

Doesn't seem like AJ was really that keen on moving forward, better preparation and it still end bad. Or better yet could end bad, that's another conversation for another day though not this one.

I really don't have any hidden agendas here. You won't believe me, but I rooted for Ruiz over the weekend. I typically go with underdog in the fights were I don't have a clear favourite.

Only annoying thing is that the wilder-aj appeal is gone..