Wilder/Joshua compared to Vitali/Wladimir

[jdp28tx]

Wilder is like Vitali- both unorthodox natural fighters who don't have textbook moves, but have great fighting instincts. Their styles may not look pretty, but works well in fights. Both these men aren't afraid to take a punch, can adapt in the ring, and aren't afraid to get into messy kill-or-be-killed brawls to win. And they usually do. Both men have a certain "meanness" to their character.

Joshua is like Wladimir- both textbook fighters with great technical skill and beautiful textbook punches and stances. Both men are incredible physical specimens. But both of them can be stiff, robotic, and have trouble adapting when trouble arises. They also have shaky chins, questionable stamina, and bad recovery. Both have a "gentlemen" quality to their character.

I believe Joshua needs to study Wlad's career, and see how Wlad changed his style after the Brewster and Sanders losses. Joshua needs a trainer like Emmanuel Stewart who can help him control and soften the opponent at a distance, and protect his chin. Joshua is at a crossroads in his career, much like the younger Wlad.

I believe Joshua can make a comeback like Wlad did, and build his own legacy.

The problem with your advice is Joshua does not have Manny Steward to train him. Steward's specialty was fixing broken fighters, especially heavyweights. He trained Holyfield in his rematch win against Bowe, he fixed Lewis after his disaster against McCall, and he fixed Wlad to become the most dominant heavyweight of the last 20 yrs. There are no trainers alive today that can fix mentally broken fighters.

Not only that today's heavyweights are just not that good. Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Holmes, Norton,Ali, Foreman, and even the B players in past eras would pick their teeth with today's heavyweights. They play checkers when past heavyweight eras played chess.

[jdp28tx]

AJ doesn’t even do normal strength training/lifting anymore.If you watch his training footage it’s all functional strength stuff and mobility, he’d be even bigger if he trained for size. Bear that in mind.

Wilder has chicken legs and could never hold that size/weight, legs are half your body after all

Wilder had trouble with Fury's weight and size when Fury leaned against him.

[jdp28tx]

How not? AJ is still a megastar in England the fight would sell substantially. Look at canelo got beat against floyd and now look. Just pick careful fights and get his confidence back. You know what his career semi was up to this point. And Wilder has shown the road warrior mindset if needed

Yeah, just like Price and Harrison did. Oops.

[jdp28tx]

Not convinced AJ can improve as Wlad did in the later part of his career. We will see.

Wlad's improvements were drilled into him by Manny Steward. That is why he always seemed so robotic. Its not enough for AJ to study Wlad he needs a trainer who can fix his problems and there is not one out there nearly as good as Steward at fixing broken fighters.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Vitali was much more superior fighter than any of these guys. Just look back what he did to prime Arreola 10 years ago in Los Angeles. The same Arreola that is some how relevant even now?

[Quaccey]

Yeah, just like Price and Harrison did. Oops.

Harrison nor Price showed any real substance. They fought overmatched guys and the second they got official fights they fumbled immediately. At least Josh fought adversity and handled it he'd beat those two hence what I said confidence booster fights.

[Derranged]

Wilder would knock Vitali's punk ass out.

Vitali would've beaten Wilder and Joshua.

[AJ's Boy]

The problem with your advice is Joshua does not have Manny Steward to train him.

No ****, Steward has been dead for years. I'm just saying he needs to find a coach that'll work on a safety first style with him, a style that'll play to his height and size. There are plenty of that in the US or back home.

Not only that today's heavyweights are just not that good. Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Holmes, Norton,Ali, Foreman, and even the B players in past eras would pick their teeth with today's heavyweights. They play checkers when past heavyweight eras played chess.

That's just dumb. Foreman Ali and Norton would be tiny compared to the top heavyweight giants today. Boxing like any other sport is constantly evolving. Nutrition has evolved. Training has evolved. Simple science. Nostalgia talk is foolish.

[JakeTheBoxer]

Not only that today's heavyweights are just not that good. Holyfield, Lewis, Tyson, Holmes, Norton,Ali, Foreman, and even the B players in past eras would pick their teeth with today's heavyweights. They play checkers when past heavyweight eras played chess.

All these guys had losses. Were they just not that good?

[Simurgh]

Fury will do no better that was his golden chance, and it didn't pan out for him. He went for the knockout and it didn't do him justice when he relaxed and timed it he had Fury really out of it. Glad you don't like wilder to the point you think Fury will do magic and win the rematch when he could've took the rematch instead of Tom. Talk is cheap real stay quiet and handle it.

It is interesting how we see things totally opposite.
I think it was Wilder's golden chance. Fury wasn't even close to his top level (level that beat Wlad). Inactive for many years, didn't have a serious fight since Wlad's fight, just lost something like 100 pounds, etc...

I don't dislike Wilder (not sure how you got that one), and I certainly don't think Fury needs any magic to beat Wilder.

He needs to repeat what he did already and be a bit more elusive which he will be. I don't like him fighting Toms of the world, but can understand why he didn't take the rematch immediately. He will insist on different venue, maybe different split and fair judging. All reasonable demands, IMO.