Lets clear something up about Ruiz's nationality ok?

[Rusty Tromboni]

Canelo doesn’t count as a Mexican?

He’s 100% pure Mexican lol.

You mean because he has white skin, auburn hair? Lol he was born and raised in Mexico, first language is Spanish, and the culture he identifies with is the Mexican culture.

Mexico is not a race, it’s a nationality. Of course Canelo’s dna would likely come up as mostly European, north of 90% probably, but that does not matter. My dna results came up mostly European from Spain/Portugal, but i’m not gonna go around claiming i’m Spaniard/European/white.

Alvarez, Sanchez and Napoles are clearly not the same ethnic group as Ruiz.

You can play semantics all you want. But Ruiz is Messy'can. Sal and Saul are White. Napoles is Black. White people are all over the globe. Blacks are a less common globaly, but still more common than Mestizos. Mestizos are only in Latin America. So Ruiz is special to you people.

I get it. they're from your country. you can be proud of that. But that's kinda like English people taking pride in Joshua or Lewis. Or White Americans taking pride in Ali or Robinson.

There's lots of great White athletes. In fact, almost all the best athletes are White. By a landslide. Blacks are probably more numerous as athletes, but on the whole not quite as talented; not in the positions that matter, at least. Mestizos are pretty much none existent as athletes. Who you got, Tony Romo? What Ruiz did was huge for his people. Semantics can't undo that.

[-Kev-]

Alvarez, Sanchez and Napoles are clearly not the same ethnic group as Ruiz.

You can play semantics all you want. But Ruiz is Messy'can. Sal and Saul are White. Napoles is Black. White people are all over the globe. Blacks are a less common globaly, but still more common than Mestizos. Mestizos are only in Latin America. So Ruiz is special to you people.

I get it. they're from your country. you can be proud of that. But that's kinda like English people taking pride in Joshua or Lewis. Or White Americans taking pride in Ali or Robinson.

There's lots of great White athletes. In fact, almost all the best athletes are White. By a landslide. Blacks are probably more numerous as athletes, but on the whole not quite as talented; not in the positions that matter, at least. Mestizos are pretty much none existent as athletes. Who you got, Tony Romo? What Ruiz did was huge for his people. Semantics can't undo that.

I don’t think you get it all. And you sound very racist with your posts, like you think you’re superior. Hopefully you don’t go around speaking like this in person, because that’s a good smack in the face waiting to happen. I bet you don’t. I an 100% positive you don’t.

First of all, i’m not Mexican.

Secondly, Canelo can be white as a race, yes, but he is Mexican.

Ruiz is part white (Spain), part native american, yes, Mestizo. I don’t think you even understand race, ethnicity are two different things lol. Canelo is white, Ruiz is Mexican? Makes no sense. Mexicans can be white, native american, or both, with varying percentages. Some more white than native, others more native than white. All depends on what genes is passed on to them, hence the different looks of Canelo’s brothers.

Joshua is African, that’s his race yes, but he is British, identifies as British, talks like a British person, first language is English, represented Great Britain all throughout his amateur career including the Olympics.

It’s very disrespectful to go around telling people where they’re from or what they are. Especially when you don’t even know what you’re talking about, Canelo is white and Ruiz is mestizo, so this means Canelo is not Mexican. Lol what a ignorant thing to say, “you don’t have anybody”. Just keep it on the internet buddy, for your own good.

[Eff Pandas]

[dannnnn]

I don't care who claims him, I'm neither Mexican nor American and have no dog in this race. However to me there is and always has been a clear distinction between Mexican and Mexican-American boxers and it has always somewhat irked me when Mexican-American boxers profess themselves as "Mexican" most likely to appeal to that particular passionate fanbase and its revered boxing heritage.

I will never consider boxers such as Leo Santa Cruz, Mikey Garcia, Oscar De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Chris Arreola, Brandon Rios and many others (including Andy Ruiz himself) to be "Mexican". When I think of Mexican boxers, I think of Chavez, Salvador Sanchez, Ricardo Lopez, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Castillo etc... There is a clear and marked difference between the two groups, at least in my eyes.

[W1LL]

No, I believe he was Puerto Rican.

As for Andy Ruiz, Mexico can have him, he won't last.

Pweeeerto Reeco*

[Mr.365]

I don't care who claims him, I'm neither Mexican nor American and have no dog in this race. However to me there is and always has been a clear distinction between Mexican and Mexican-American boxers and it has always somewhat irked me when Mexican-American boxers profess themselves as "Mexican" most likely to appeal to that particular passionate fanbase and its revered boxing heritage.

I will never consider boxers such as Leo Santa Cruz, Mikey Garcia, Oscar De La Hoya, Fernando Vargas, Chris Arreola, Brandon Rios and many others (including Andy Ruiz himself) to be "Mexican". When I think of Mexican boxers, I think of Chavez, Salvador Sanchez, Ricardo Lopez, Morales, Barrera, Marquez, Castillo etc... There is a clear and marked difference between the two groups, at least in my eyes.

Wasnt he born in Mexico? It's like when people dont consider Abner Mares Mexican even though he was born in Guadalajara 😂

[Boksfan]

Can some of you boxing fans enlighten me on something? I thought John "Quiet Man" Ruiz was the first fighter of Mexican lineage to be heavyweight champion.

No, John was Puerto Rican.

[elfag]

Your parents are from México ?

Do you have the mexican nationality ?

You fought representing México in amateur tournaments?

You won a world title representing México?

Andy debuted in México, he was made as a boxer with mexican coaches, his actual coach is mexican

Did he renounce his citizenship? He was born in California. That makes him American.

[elfag]

Alvarez, Sanchez and Napoles are clearly not the same ethnic group as Ruiz.

You can play semantics all you want. But Ruiz is Messy'can. Sal and Saul are White. Napoles is Black. White people are all over the globe. Blacks are a less common globaly, but still more common than Mestizos. Mestizos are only in Latin America. So Ruiz is special to you people.

I get it. they're from your country. you can be proud of that. But that's kinda like English people taking pride in Joshua or Lewis. Or White Americans taking pride in Ali or Robinson.

There's lots of great White athletes. In fact, almost all the best athletes are White. By a landslide. Blacks are probably more numerous as athletes, but on the whole not quite as talented; not in the positions that matter, at least. Mestizos are pretty much none existent as athletes. Who you got, Tony Romo? What Ruiz did was huge for his people. Semantics can't undo that.

This isnt hard.

Ruiz is a US citizen born in California.
Canelo is a Mexican citizen born in Mexico.

It is super simple. No semantics needed.

Canelo is infinitely more mexican than Ruiz. I know the marxists want to group people by appearance but Canelo's white freckled skin and red hair have zero effect on his nationality.

[Boxing Goat]

First off, do not get me wrong...no slight against any nationality, but I would be remiss if I did not express something that is starting to bother me about Ruiz and the narrative of the "mexican warrior."

First off: I have been saying since day one that Ruiz has talent and would be a success...My posts can be found here. I did not even count him out against Joshua, saying "I have not seen him recently" and preferring to just not pick on that fight because of this fact.

Adore Ruiz, and I am not a Mexican warrior, just a white boy from East Harlem which brings me to by point:

Ruiz is a Mexican American. He was raised in this country. He has every right to honor his roots but he is about as Mexican as I am well... I am a lot of different things lol.

Yes he has that fighting spirit, yes he fights in a style that is Mexican in many fundamental respects, but those fast hands, that will of iron was fed on Carnitas from California!

I hope people do not see this as a slight against Mexicans but the fact is fellow Americans like myself took a lot of crap on these boards about Ruiz's dimensions when we proclaimed he would be a success and I deserve to revel in his success as much as the next guy...Messican or otherwise...

Good post. Spot on and very well done. I am removing you from my ignore list.