Why all the threads on AJ...none on Ruiz?

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  • Eff Pandas
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    #11
    Cuz no one is THAT excited about the new Overweight Champion of the World Andy Ruiz.

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      #12
      Originally posted by Mooshashi
      Frankly I'd like to see him vs Wilder because I think he would avoid the wild right hands and outbox Deontay.
      EVERYONE who's in the top 15 probably outboxes Wilder lets be real here. Can Ruiz take Wilder's power is the question. I don't think he does. Joshua dropped Ruiz relatively easy & landed some good shots on him even after he was hurt. If Wilder lands those same shots on Ruiz he's gonna be out or he'll be the one who keeps falling more than likely.

      I think Ruiz success will be short lived. I think he's not so much the Mexican Rocky as he's been dubbed but the Mexican Buster Douglas & he'll have a similar story when this all plays out further down the line.

      I think Ruiz is more likely to be out of boxing before Joshua is. Hell wasn't Ruiz more or less out of the game awhile back cuz he lacked motivation/drive or some sh^t? The guy has fought as high as 290ish iirc.

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        #13
        Originally posted by Mooshashi
        The man GOT UP from a knockdown and proceeded to take it to the HW Champ. No quit in him. Two months to train for the bout, was robbed vs Parker but didn't whine. Great stamina for a fat man. Has all the punches. Quick hands.

        Frankly I'd like to see him vs Wilder because I think he would avoid the wild right hands and outbox Deontay.
        they wont let me give you green bro but you deserve it... YES HE was robbed against Parker! He should be undefeated.

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          #14
          Originally posted by Eff Pandas
          EVERYONE who's in the top 15 probably outboxes Wilder lets be real here. Can Ruiz take Wilder's power is the question. I don't think he does. Joshua dropped Ruiz relatively easy & landed some good shots on him even after he was hurt. If Wilder lands those same shots on Ruiz he's gonna be out or he'll be the one who keeps falling more than likely.

          I think Ruiz success will be short lived. I think he's not so much the Mexican Rocky as he's been dubbed but the Mexican Buster Douglas & he'll have a similar story when this all plays out further down the line.

          I think Ruiz is more likely to be out of boxing before Joshua is. Hell wasn't Ruiz more or less out of the game awhile back cuz he lacked motivation/drive or some sh^t? The guy has fought as high as 290ish iirc.
          I dont know Panda... we still don't know if AJ punches harder, or not as hard as Wilder. We can only assume. AJ relies on his punch as much as Wilder does...as a matter of fact Wilder has faster feet. AJ has more technical skill in setting up his punches and his combos. that is how I see it.

          Ruiz is different than Douglas because he fights consistently the same way. He relies on his speed and it serves him well. He really did appear to beat Parker to the punch imo. Speed can kill and he gets there first because of it. he reminds me of Aeriola if Chis had had better speed.

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            #15
            Originally posted by Mooshashi
            The man GOT UP from a knockdown and proceeded to take it to the HW Champ. No quit in him. Two months to train for the bout, was robbed vs Parker but didn't whine. Great stamina for a fat man. Has all the punches. Quick hands.

            Frankly I'd like to see him vs Wilder because I think he would avoid the wild right hands and outbox Deontay.
            Ruiz didn't really "take it" to Joshua though, lol. He got hurt, Joshua was ready to rush in and finish him, he beat down on that gum shield, and was set to go down guns blazing.

            The quick hands were able to get a debilitating shot through, and Joshua basically never recovered from that (nerves of the moment, that ear shot, and Joshua's usual energy dump [about 4-5 rounds into a fight, usually for 2-3 rounds, before the second win from conditioning kicks in] all basically colliding must've felt terrible).

            Joshua doesn't rush Andy Ruiz and I don't see Ruiz making the fight, tbh (this is just off of watching the highlights on YouTube).

            Wilder has already shown the world that he can dominate a fight solely behind his heavy jab and a lead hook; bet on Ruiz pushing inside on that if you want.

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              #16
              Originally posted by billeau2
              I dont know Panda... we still don't know if AJ punches harder, or not as hard as Wilder. We can only assume. AJ relies on his punch as much as Wilder does...as a matter of fact Wilder has faster feet. AJ has more technical skill in setting up his punches and his combos. that is how I see it.
              I don't think the punching power thing is up for debate these days & personally I've not thought it was up for debate for awhile. Wilder f#cks people up in ways you don't see as often at HW or anywhere. Wilder effs guys up like you see guys effed up in UFC fights where there is lil padding on the gloves.

              Joshua is more standard run of the mill top HW type power if you ask me. I mean thats not to underplay it by any means. I think he's probably the 2nd hardest puncher in the division (might be some young guys who hit harder, but thats to be seen if they can hit harder with moving targets as is required when you get higher up in the rankings)

              But yea Joshua is more well rounded than Wilder no argument from me on that one. Wilder's power is so crazy he can overcome his lack of skill with his power. Joshua couldn't do that last night. And Ruiz isn't no Ortiz or Fury caliber guy.

              Ruiz is different than Douglas because he fights consistently the same way. He relies on his speed and it serves him well. He really did appear to beat Parker to the punch imo. Speed can kill and he gets there first because of it. he reminds me of Aeriola if Chis had had better speed.
              I'm not comparing Ruiz technically like Buster in fairness to Ruiz (or to Buster cuz Buster didn't suck either when he fought his best). Mentally I'm comparing Ruiz to Buster. I think at this level of the game it is a lot of a mental game & guys like Buster & Ruiz are playing softball to everyone else playing hardball on most nights. If Ruiz makes 3 successful defenses I'll be surprised. And honestly despite the one sidedness of the W last night I think if this rematch doesn't get made by the end of the year Ruiz could go off the rails before then & Joshua redeems himself.

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                #17
                So true

                in the what has he done lately category, Ruiz didn't really have much to show. He'd been out for a year or so, came back looking the same physically, fought Dimentrenko in an OK showing imo, and really looked the same as ever. The only thing was that was cool was that he was getting a fresh start with PBC

                but the same as ever was still pretty good. He was always one of the better HW prospects going back like 5-7 years ago - the speed, punching in combination, going to the body, catching/parrying shots, subtle head movement is all stuff that isn't seen often at HW these days, not even at the top of division. His problem was just closing distance on guys who can dart in and out, he can chop down big guys like he did undefeated Joe Hanks and obviously Joshua, but if u can get out or stay out of hte pocket then he migh tcome up short.

                Anyway it's just awesome to see him win that man, wow!

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by LA_2_Vegas
                  So true

                  in the what has he done lately category, Ruiz didn't really have much to show. He'd been out for a year or so, came back looking the same physically, fought Dimentrenko in an OK showing imo, and really looked the same as ever. The only thing was that was cool was that he was getting a fresh start with PBC

                  but the same as ever was still pretty good. He was always one of the better HW prospects going back like 5-7 years ago - the speed, punching in combination, going to the body, catching/parrying shots, subtle head movement is all stuff that isn't seen often at HW these days, not even at the top of division. His problem was just closing distance on guys who can dart in and out, he can chop down big guys like he did undefeated Joe Hanks and obviously Joshua, but if u can get out or stay out of hte pocket then he migh tcome up short.

                  Anyway it's just awesome to see him win that man, wow!
                  Yup... this is why I could not in good faith pick him to beat Joshua. I wound up not picking saying I had not seen enough of Ruiz lately to know how he was faring. But when he was fighting regularly he was on my radar. he was not the first crafty, fast heavyweight, but he was a pressure fighter which intrigued me... I also cringed at what he said his strategy was to beat Joshua... BUT he made adjustments on the fly! he knew when it was time to go after Joshua and this is experience talking.

                  Many great prospects do not have the nose to know "I either will look good getting robbed by the judges, or risk it and take it away from the judges." Notice the scorecards? lol they were going to job Ruiz!

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                    So now everybody is **** riding Ruiz as the man to stop Wilder? Wilder is King of heavyweights period. I'm just about done with idiocy on this board.

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