Al Haymon and Wilder are playing checkers...

[Eff Pandas]

So long as Usyk gets time to acclimate to Heavyweight I like that fight. Don't know if it's a Vegas fight but I'm interested.

If Usyk acclimates to the HW division EVERYONE except probably Fury is f#cked lol.

And I like Joshua's chances vs Usyk less than Wilder's. While Wilder can be outboxed easier I think even if Usyk can handle HW power & the size of these cats he'll be just like everyone else vs Wilder with needing a no mistake 12 round fight to win cuz Wilder will need just one punch to finish it. Fury put some holes in that theory by getting the draw, but I don't think its a very exploitable thing even if Fury almost got around it.

But thats all still a big guess with Usyk handling HW. I think Joshua vs Usyk is more interesting if they don't test out Usyk too much at HW honestly. If Usyk is put in with a guy like Povetkin or Whyte & can handle them with relative ease I think its a favorable situation going in with Joshua. But if Usyk fights Takam as planned still I believe & goes straight into a Joshua fight there are still a bunch of unanswered questions on Usyk that will get answered vs Joshua

[Randall Cunning]

Well just making Joshua vs Fury this year would be the chess move now. What exactly is stopping that from happening?

[Robbie Barrett]

Well just making Joshua vs Fury this year would be the chess move now. What exactly is stopping that from happening?

There's 4 networks preventing that. Sky/DAZN (Joshua), BT/ESPN (Fury)

[Joe Gans Louis]

If Usyk acclimates to the HW division EVERYONE except probably Fury is f#cked lol.

And I like Joshua's chances vs Usyk less than Wilder's. While Wilder can be outboxed easier I think even if Usyk can handle HW power & the size of these cats he'll be just like everyone else vs Wilder with needing a no mistake 12 round fight to win cuz Wilder will need just one punch to finish it. Fury put some holes in that theory by getting the draw, but I don't think its a very exploitable thing even if Fury almost got around it.

But thats all still a big guess with Usyk handling HW. I think Joshua vs Usyk is more interesting if they don't test out Usyk too much at HW honestly. If Usyk is put in with a guy like Povetkin or Whyte & can handle them with relative ease I think its a favorable situation going in with Joshua. But if Usyk fights Takam as planned still I believe & goes straight into a Joshua fight there are still a bunch of unanswered questions on Usyk that will get answered vs Joshua

Dont make Usyk into some type of boggie man. The Cruiserweight title holds little weight amongst the hardcore fans let alone casuals. Usyk needs 5 fights at Hwy plus two or three quality fights to deserve a legit title shot.

He doesnt even have a GGG or Lomo type following to say that him getting a title shot is because of public demand. Usyk needs to work his way up the Hwy ranking just like prospects Dubois and Franklin.

Guys like he and Hunter shouldnt get to cherrypick down at Cruiserweight with little fan fare while everyone else beats each other to a pulp at Hwy.

If Usyk had beat someone at Light Hwy like Ward then maybe the American public would be interested in him pulling off a Roy Jones but that bring up another point.

If Usyk did win the Hwy title I dont see him defending it long and I could see him avoiding bad match ups which could be quality fights.

Usyk isnt beating Dubois, Joyce, Whyte, Franklin, Wilder, AJ, and Fury over the next 5-7 years. I know his supporters want a Otto Wallin to Dillian Whyte to AJ path but if he wins he going to have to fight a lot of quality guy in order to have a long reign.

He's never going to knock all these bigger Hwys out so that means he gonna have 12 round wars during any type of consecutive defenses.

I think Usyk is a skilled good boxer but he' couldnt survive 3 fights with Fury, Breazele, and Ortiz. Let alone adding Wilder and AJ to the mix. Ortiz or Wilder would punish him back to cruiser. Fury is just going to jab him to death for 12 rounds.

Guys like he and Joseph Parker arent built for this era in Hwy boxing. The only reason Wilder works is his insane power. You would expect a guy like Wilder who fights at 214 at Hwy to rely on sticking and moving. Wilder isnt anywhere close to Ali when it comes to styles

AJ might seriously hurt Usyk if given the chance. He could have upwards to a 30 lb weight advantage with twice the power. Usyk only chance would to be to steal early rounds survive AJs onslaught 3-9 and to hope AJ slows down in rounds 10-12. Usyk looks good in the late rounds to make the fight look close.

But this will never be a super fight. Usyk isnt going to build his resume to that level and the public already lusting for AJ vs Fury before any Usyk match up.

Usyk is two -four years from getting a PPV fight without AJ carrying him and DAZN not losing money on the fight. Usyk has a long ways to go before he becomes the boogie man you are making him out to be.

[Eff Pandas]

Dont make Usyk into some type of boggie man. The Cruiserweight title holds little weight amongst the hardcore fans let alone casuals. Usyk needs 5 fights at Hwy plus two or three quality fights to deserve a legit title shot.

If he can hang at HW he's the best boxer there by a mile. Thats not boogieman sh^t thats real sh^t.

And he'll have a shot sooner than 5 fights as long as he wins.

He doesnt even have a GGG or Lomo type following to say that him getting a title shot is because of public demand.

Doesn't matter. He's in good with the ABC Groups.

If Usyk had beat someone at Light Hwy like Ward then maybe the American public would be interested in him pulling off a Roy Jones but that bring up another point.

Who cares about all that? The American public is virtually never interested in non-latino non-American boxers. Manny & GGG are massive outliers.

If Usyk did win the Hwy title I dont see him defending it long and I could see him avoiding bad match ups which could be quality fights.

If he gets past Joshua Wilder only gots a punchers chance against him. And while I'd favor Fury over him if he proves himself to be a legit HW who can hang Fury could easily self destruct into a non-ent^ty at HW. Beyond those 3 guys idk who'd beat him anytime soon. Lotsa guys on the way up still but all unproven & probably 2 years away from being in contention at the earliest.

He's never going to knock all these bigger Hwys out so that means he gonna have 12 round wars during any type of consecutive defenses.

Idk that the way Usyk fights is lending himself to being in THAT many wars. He's gonna outbox you til you KO him. Thats what I see happening at HW for Usyk if he's successful or if he's not successful. And if you don't KO him in 36 minutes you just took an L.

AJ might seriously hurt Usyk if given the chance.

ANYONE can get hurt in this game. Joshua could get hurt in this game. Getting hurt, severely injured or killed is ALWAYS a possibility.

But I've yet to hear anyone shotcall a murder or severe injury like you are trying to do here.

But this will never be a super fight.

Who gives a sh^t?

Usyk is two -four years from getting a PPV fight without AJ carrying him and DAZN not losing money on the fight. Usyk has a long ways to go before he becomes the boogie man you are making him out to be.

I'm not making Usyk out to be anything. I'm saying IF he can hang at HW he'll beat everyone except Fury. We don't know if he can hang at HW yet so who f#cking knows what'll happen. He's far too skilled for this highly exploitable HW's of today.

And I'll take the under on Usyk getting his shot at Joshua in 2-4 years.

I'll take the over on it being a PPV fight in the US since he's on DAZN, but it'll likely be a PPV fight in the UK I imagine cuz I think all his fights are PPV now. Usyk isn't even a concern with Joshua fights being PPV. I believe Joshua vs Takam was a PPV in the UK (anyone feel free to correct me on that if I'm incorrect).

[Joe Gans Louis]

If he can hang at HW he's the best boxer there by a mile. Thats not boogieman sh^t thats real sh^t.

And he'll have a shot sooner than 5 fights as long as he wins.



Doesn't matter. He's in good with the ABC Groups.



Who cares about all that? The American public is virtually never interested in non-latino non-American boxers. Manny & GGG are massive outliers.



If he gets past Joshua Wilder only gots a punchers chance against him. And while I'd favor Fury over him if he proves himself to be a legit HW who can hang Fury could easily self destruct into a non-ent^ty at HW. Beyond those 3 guys idk who'd beat him anytime soon. Lotsa guys on the way up still but all unproven & probably 2 years away from being in contention at the earliest.



Idk that the way Usyk fights is lending himself to being in THAT many wars. He's gonna outbox you til you KO him. Thats what I see happening at HW for Usyk if he's successful or if he's not successful. And if you don't KO him in 36 minutes you just took an L.



ANYONE can get hurt in this game. Joshua could get hurt in this game. Getting hurt, severely injured or killed is ALWAYS a possibility.

But I've yet to hear anyone shotcall a murder or severe injury like you are trying to do here.



Who gives a sh^t?



I'm not making Usyk out to be anything. I'm saying IF he can hang at HW he'll beat everyone except Fury. We don't know if he can hang at HW yet so who f#cking knows what'll happen. He's far too skilled for this highly exploitable HW's of today.

And I'll take the under on Usyk getting his shot at Joshua in 2-4 years.

I'll take the over on it being a PPV fight in the US since he's on DAZN, but it'll likely be a PPV fight in the UK I imagine cuz I think all his fights are PPV now. Usyk isn't even a concern with Joshua fights being PPV. I believe Joshua vs Takam was a PPV in the UK (anyone feel free to correct me on that if I'm incorrect).

Im not trying to get caught up in semantics but saying if Usyk can "hang" at Hwy then he could beat anyone in that division is a very long leap of faith. "Hang" is s broad term so I dont know YOUR meaning of "hang". Hang could mean one maybe two fights or an the rest of his career.

You are almost saying that if he can beat on then he can beat them all. This is from a guy who lost to Shawn Porter (5'7) in the amateurs. So the myth of him being this ultra skilled fighter isnt true. Porter is a very good fighter but he isnt a Spence or Crawford level fighter.

Just because he can **** with the likes of Junoir Fa and Joe Joyce in the amateurs with headgear on doesnt make him a likely long reigning champ. Headgear makes smaller fighters look good against bigger dudes. David Haye looked like he could beat Wilder given the chance in sparring but we know what Hayes chin is made of and we know its not built for taking Wilders best punches.

If he was the man you say he is then he would have trained to be a Hwy and not Cruiser. No that he's hurt there is no effing way he deserves a title shot over Hwy fighters with over 20 Hwy fights.

What makes him so special that he can skip working his way up the ranks against Hwys 20+ lbs heavier than the way lesser talented cruiser division. He's cherrypicking his way to a title shot by not fighting at

Saying Wilder on has a punchers chance against Wilder is laughable. Wilder has spared with David Haye, so he's used to dealing with someone much faster and skilled than Usyk. Haye isnt ****** to **** with Wilder without head gear and Usyk is going to feel Wilders true power unlike sparring and the amateurs.

Comparing Usyk defense skills to Fury is laughable to. 6'3 vs 6'9, 30-40 pound weight advantage with a longer reach gives Wilder more problems then a guy with "skills" and some movement.

Fury despite his natural size advantage got put on his @$$ twice and only got up by the grace of God and was lucky it was the 12 round saving him from more punishment after being clearly concussed.

Usyk isnt getting up after a soild right from Wilder. All the name calling and hype jobbing in the world wont change that. I dont see Usyk getting any faster once he gains the weight needed to fight the likes of AJ and Wilder.

Usyk doesnt have any advantages that are going to keep Wilder and AJ at bay and from bombing on him all night. Im not talking about wild shot either. If they learn on him and work his body all night and get him to drop his hand and slow his speed down he gets dropped in the 7-10th round by both fighters.

He would be ****** to bring the fight to either Wilder or AJ so he would basically be stuck trying to counter all night and losing rounds on the scorecard being passive.

Him vs Fury would be a feint fest with little action and even smaller interest because Usky is only marketable because of the awards and medals he's won and not because who he has fought.

If they were to build him up the right way by giving him the time and the fights to build up his name them he could be fighter you say he could be. But given his current statue in the sport as a GGG(couldnt carry HBO) like hype job I dont think he's worth giving a title shot for 2-4 years.

Its probably the best thing for his health and career to build him slowly instead of throwing him to the wolves and expecting the miracle you think he can pull off by winning and defending the belts over a 3-4 year period.

[STREET CLEANER]

Fury fight isn't even signed. Just a pathetic attempt to steal some limelight. He tried it with the Ortiz announcement but that backfired badly.

Last fight you said that you didn't believe that it was going to happen unless you saw them in the ring. Now you say this. Straight up clown

[Robbie Barrett]

Last fight you said that you didn't believe that it was going to happen unless you saw them in the ring. Now you say this. Straight up clown

I was right when i said the rematch wasn't happening earlier this year and you and the rest of the clowns said it was certain.

Fury can agree one minute and change his mind the next. He's done it to both Wilder and Klitschko in the past.

[STREET CLEANER]

I was right when i said the rematch wasn't happening earlier this year and you and the rest of the clowns said it was certain.

Fury can agree one minute and change his mind the next. He's done it to both Wilder and Klitschko in the past.

You were right for the wrong reason. Fury went with TR and negotiations fell apart. You said the wilder would not rematch him

[Robbie Barrett]

You were right for the wrong reason. Fury went with TR and negotiations fell apart. You said the wilder would not rematch him

I was right. You were wrong. You were the clown.