If AJ batters and brutally stops Wilder, is there any need for Fury-Wilder II?

[Laligalaliga]

Neither is Fury. His numbers will absolutely suck at ESPN. I like Fury but the fights he's going to make without AJ, Wilder, Whyte, or Ortiz are a joke.

No one in America are talking about his fight at all. AJ vs Ruiz isnt getting any coverage on any American platforms.
Just because Wilders number against Breazele were great doesnt mean he isnt popular.

Somehing you blokes need to realize is that we have a sports league in America named the NBA. The same nighrtWilder was fighting the most popular team in American sports not named the Patriots (Golden State Warriors) was on at the same time in the US.

Im sorry but If AJ was boxing at the same time as most UKer's favorite football/soccer team had a match his ratings would be low.
He could be fighting Jesus and you wankers would tune in to your favorite football team without hesitation.

AJ and Furys US numbers will be in the 200-300K range because their opponents are not respected by the public. I cant speak on the UK numbers but I do know that Fury wasnt much of draw in the UK before the tainted Wlad win.

Not defeating Wilder and getting knocked on his can twice isnt going to make him a national hero.
As much as the Wilder detractors try to doubt him the Hwy Division revolves around Wilder.

Wilder vs Fury./Wilder vs Ortiz is the reason big money is being offered for fights now. The purse's being offered to fighters has increased 2-3 fold since that fight.

AJ has done nothing but collect belts and hasnt done much to raise the profile of the division. His fight against Wlad raised his profile but with Fury beating him 2 years earlier AJ cant claim he dethroned the King of the division.

His fight vs Miller would have given him some credibility in the US because of Millers marketing of the fight. But AJ isnt a global star like Ali or Tyson where he can sell out venues in Africa or Japan let alone the US. He's strictly a UK star at this point.

All his fights in the US have been viewed by 500K people or less. The 800k+ who viewed Wilders fight doesnt seem bad when you put it in the proper context.

Lets judge the US ratings when AJ and Fury fight next. Wilder vs the NBA playoffs got 800k+ to view. When Fury and AJ do considerably less, all this sill talk of Wilder getting 50% of the purse will go away.

If they do half the ratings as Wilder without the NBA as competition then there is no Effing way they deserve half of the US money.

How about AJ/Fury get all the UK income and Wilder gets all the US. Seeing that the US is 5 times as big as the UK I feel thats fair. 50/50 spilt on worldwide income.

Let the UK fighters get their money for building the UK fan base and Wilder get the US for building up America.

Fury and AJ numbers in America have always been in the dirt so its proper business for them to have to actually attract fans in the US before they get a piece of the pie that Wilder has built.

If Wilder I tell those guys take it or leave it or fight on your own in the US. Lets see what Fury vs AJ does in Vegas. Lets see if they can earn on their own in the US before they get a piece of Deontay's American pie.

But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about?

[buge]

If AJ destroys Wilder, it's probably Fury vs AJ next. Then if AJ beats Fury, there'd be reason for a Fury vs Wilder rematch down the line to see who gets the second shot at AJ.

However, I expect Wilder to KO Joshua. Then the question is whether Wilder decides to make Fury beat AJ before he gets another shot (FYI, I scored the first fight for Fury, aside from the 2 knockdown rounds).

[Joe Gans Louis]

But AJ's fight is selling 4X wilders fight in his debut fight and am very confident he will rake in more views than wilder. So what exactly are you talking about?

Popularity in the US is measured by TV views and internet hits and not just tickets sold. Hearn bought most of the tickets and sold them to aftermarket resellers. There PLENTY of prime seats left.

Please go to StubHub and see how many aftermarket tickets are left. Most of that crowd will be from England traveling to see AJ. Americans arent buying the fight. Ruiz is Mexican and I dont see them traveling or watching this fight to see him.

Kudos to AJ for getting his fans to travel. I love to see that. I want the sport to be healthy as possible. But that doent make him popular in America.

Hatton did the same, yet was never an American or global star. AJ is not a TV star here. His fights were doing barely 500k views on cable before he signed with DAZN.

This is great that he's trying to market himself but the only people who know him are the media because he is media friendly. He did his media tour with Miller and hasnt been mentioned since.

He got a lot of love on ESPN because the head of DAZN, John Skipper, used to head ESPN. Harrison vs Charlo was getting more shine on the internet/media after Harrison clowned Charlo at the presser. It will get view because its on free TV and not DAZN.

Being that DW had fought in America 40 times and has knocked everyone one there @$$ its not a big deal unless he has a real challenger.

The fact that he did 800k views during during the NBA playoffs is pretty damn good. Eddie Hearn talking crazy about the numbers just shows how much of a twit he is.

If he inst aware about the popularity of NBA basketball (he said nothing in the interview) then he inst a very good promoter or he's trying to leverage for his fighter.

He really sucks at it too. You rarely saw Don King say bad things about fighters werent aren't his. What made him a great Hype man is that he made ypu believe ANY fight was a GREAT fight.

Hearn is CLEARLY doing this wrong by crapping on everyone not AJ or not fighting AJ right now. If the public trusts you then why would they spend big money on a fight were you've told them on half of the fight is garbage prior to them signing.

If Wilder is trash like AJ UK fans think then why do they want the Wilder fight.? Just fight Fury and Whyte and ignore Wilder like they do with Ortiz.

Hearn should be selling AJ as the underdog so that his victory will be historic like Clay vs Liston. If Liston was thought to be a bum then Ali wouldnt be "the greatest".

It was the shock of the upset that made Ali grab the publics attention. AJ still has a way to go before the fans give a damn about him.

Hearn hyping Wilder could make this a 200M purse but instead is limiting it to a 75-10m fight with his negativity. The job of a promoter is to PROMOTE and not drive down interest in EITHER fighter.

Its better to earn 40% from a 200m fight than 60% from a 80m fight. Instead of motivating his fighter he making AJ smug/overconfident by playing the Wilder sucks argument into the ground.

AJ is the person who loses the most because as George Forman said this has be the potential to be the biggest Hwy fight EVER. Instead of being an old fart and saying "there will never be a fight as big as the Rumble in the Jungle" he choose to PROMOTE the sport he loves.

I think Forman know more about promoting things than Hearn. He got SUPER rich going from the bad guy people hated to a lovable old fighter everyone was willing to paying extra money to by a ****** hot plate from.

The Forman "Grill" is an effing hot plate. Baldly put on an apron and made you believe a hot plate was a grill.

So if Eddie wants everyone to get "super rich" the he needs Wilder to be a Forman Grill and not just a hot plate.

[Larry the boss]

If Wilder takes Joshuas head off is there any need for Joshua to fight Fury or rematch Wilder?

[SN!PER]

All three guys will probably fight each other at least once.

We could have five or six big fights, more if there are trilogies.

[Eff Pandas]

Disagree.

Wilder vs Fury II still has value if Wilder or Fury lose to Joshua or anyone else for that matter. Granted the value of that rematch can increase or decrease, but its hard for me to envision it drys up completely unless one of them just goes straight down from their current trajectory & that would require multiple L's not just one L to the #1 guy.

[Bad_Guy]

Most likely scenario is Wilder drops and finishes AJ, who is too slow and predictable to win imo. AJ's suspect chin won't do him any favors against Wilder either.

[ShaneMosleySr]

There are countless examples throughout boxing history of a rematch being demanded, one of those fighters losing badly in between the rematch, and the rematch being in demand.

[hugh grant]

I actually want Josh v wilder first before wilder v fury rematch.
To keep furys options open.If Josh beats wilder I think fury has a lot of thinking to do.
I don't think fury would need to fight wilder but it's up to fury of course.

[Laligalaliga]

Popularity in the US is measured by TV views and internet hits and not just tickets sold. Hearn bought most of the tickets and sold them to aftermarket resellers. There PLENTY of prime seats left.

Please go to StubHub and see how many aftermarket tickets are left. Most of that crowd will be from England traveling to see AJ. Americans arent buying the fight. Ruiz is Mexican and I dont see them traveling or watching this fight to see him.

Kudos to AJ for getting his fans to travel. I love to see that. I want the sport to be healthy as possible. But that doent make him popular in America.

Hatton did the same, yet was never an American or global star. AJ is not a TV star here. His fights were doing barely 500k views on cable before he signed with DAZN.

This is great that he's trying to market himself but the only people who know him are the media because he is media friendly. He did his media tour with Miller and hasnt been mentioned since.

He got a lot of love on ESPN because the head of DAZN, John Skipper, used to head ESPN. Harrison vs Charlo was getting more shine on the internet/media after Harrison clowned Charlo at the presser. It will get view because its on free TV and not DAZN.

Being that DW had fought in America 40 times and has knocked everyone one there @$$ its not a big deal unless he has a real challenger.

The fact that he did 800k views during during the NBA playoffs is pretty damn good. Eddie Hearn talking crazy about the numbers just shows how much of a twit he is.

If he inst aware about the popularity of NBA basketball (he said nothing in the interview) then he inst a very good promoter or he's trying to leverage for his fighter.

He really sucks at it too. You rarely saw Don King say bad things about fighters werent aren't his. What made him a great Hype man is that he made ypu believe ANY fight was a GREAT fight.

Hearn is CLEARLY doing this wrong by crapping on everyone not AJ or not fighting AJ right now. If the public trusts you then why would they spend big money on a fight were you've told them on half of the fight is garbage prior to them signing.

If Wilder is trash like AJ UK fans think then why do they want the Wilder fight.? Just fight Fury and Whyte and ignore Wilder like they do with Ortiz.

Hearn should be selling AJ as the underdog so that his victory will be historic like Clay vs Liston. If Liston was thought to be a bum then Ali wouldnt be "the greatest".

It was the shock of the upset that made Ali grab the publics attention. AJ still has a way to go before the fans give a damn about him.

Hearn hyping Wilder could make this a 200M purse but instead is limiting it to a 75-10m fight with his negativity. The job of a promoter is to PROMOTE and not drive down interest in EITHER fighter.

Its better to earn 40% from a 200m fight than 60% from a 80m fight. Instead of motivating his fighter he making AJ smug/overconfident by playing the Wilder sucks argument into the ground.

AJ is the person who loses the most because as George Forman said this has be the potential to be the biggest Hwy fight EVER. Instead of being an old fart and saying "there will never be a fight as big as the Rumble in the Jungle" he choose to PROMOTE the sport he loves.

I think Forman know more about promoting things than Hearn. He got SUPER rich going from the bad guy people hated to a lovable old fighter everyone was willing to paying extra money to by a ****** hot plate from.

The Forman "Grill" is an effing hot plate. Baldly put on an apron and made you believe a hot plate was a grill.

So if Eddie wants everyone to get "super rich" the he needs Wilder to be a Forman Grill and not just a hot plate.

I appreciate you contributions with respect to this issue but to be honest, popularity is not rated by number of views alone, the most important index is the number of ppv the fighter is able accrue over time.

Wilder is neither a ppv fighter both in the states and outside. Hez still unknown as well.

If I can watch your fights on YouTube but I can't pay to watch it on ppv, that's not popularity.

Keep it straight...AJ will have a far more higher gates than wilder. That's where popularity comes in....

I can be AJ do more numbers than wilder in the state despite being his debut fight.

Wilder is no match for AJ in popularity both in the states and outside. I can challenge you to that.