Comments Thread For: Keith Thurman Vows: This Will Be Manny Pacquaio's Last Fight

[D4thincarnation]

De La Hoya: I Knew Pacquiao Would Beat Me Up, I Was a Dead Man

The move to welterweight wasn't easy. De La Hoya had been fighting at 154 or higher for the last seven years.

He was able to make the weight. He was reportedly on weight even weeks before the fight. At the official weigh-in, he came in 145 - two full pounds below the welterweight limit. It was De La Hoya's lowest weight since 1997 - when he was a junior welterweight. Despite all that, Pacquiao was a huge underdog in the fight.

Squeezing down in weight for Pacquiao had physically drained De La Hoya of his strength and energy. Even during his ring walk, De La Hoya already felt that his body had nothing left and he was going to take a beating once he stepped in the ring.

"I'll never forget walking to ring that night," De La Hoya told ESPN. "I knew that I was going to get beat up already. It was like walking into a slaughter house and knowing that this is it. I've never felt that before in my life. Imagine going into the ring, knowing that you're going to get beat. I might as well have run back to the dressing room and taken off, but I've always decided to fight but I was a dead man walking when I stepped into the ring against Pacquiao. I had nothing left."

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/n...ply&p=19764499

Damn those 3lbs really took it out of him and he only had 6 months to do it in


Do you think Oscar wanted to squeeze down for Pacquiao specifically or was his intention always to go to 147lbs.

Why do you think he fought Forbes at 150lbs?

[Bronx2245]

this was not about age!! this was about weight! stop trying to deflect. now you bringing up all kinds of excuses! floyd made canelo came down to 152 from 154! floyd was actually trying to make canelo come down to 147 instead!! if you wanna throw shade at the pac/oscar fight because oscar came down 3lbs then do the same with floyd/canelo.

Canelo’s trainer Reynoso said to ESPN Deports “Mayweather wanted to fight at 147, then 150, and…fortunately Richard Schaefer is a great negotiator and people know that Mayweather is a very attractive fight.”

You don't know "What this was about!" This is about me saying that Thurman vs. Pacquiao is not the same as ODLH vs. Pacquiao in any shape, form, or fashion! Pacquiao is not draining down to fight Thurman, like ODLH had to drain down to fight PacquiaoThe only reason Floyd was brought up is because the poster said Oscar should be favorite because he was "the bigger man," to which I replied, Floyd had already beaten Oscar at 154, so that "bigger is better" theory is bogus!

If you think ODLH dropping to 147 for Pac, is the same as Canelo dropping to 152 for Floyd, DO YOU! I don't think it's anywhere near the same!

[Mister Wolf]

You better beat the hell out of that old man.

[Bronx2245]

Damn those 3lbs really took it out of him and he only had 6 months to do it in


Do you think Oscar wanted to squeeze down for Pacquiao specifically or was his intention always to go to 147lbs.

Why do you think he fought Forbes at 150lbs?

Oscar wanted to drain down specifically for Pacquiao, because nobody would let him live if he asked Pacquiao to fight him @ 154, nor would anyone on Team Pacquiao let him fight ODLH at 154! So ODLH played himself, and got dealt with!

The point I was making TO START WITH, is that Thurman vs. Pacquiao is nowhere near the same as ODLH vs. Pacquiao! Totally different set of circumstances! Pacquiao is a current champion, in the same weight class as Keith Thurman! Thurman shouldn't have even used that ****** analogy in the first place!

[D4thincarnation]

Oscar wanted to drain down specifically for Pacquiao, because nobody would let him live if he asked Pacquiao to fight him @ 154, nor would anyone on Team Pacquiao let him fight ODLH at 154! So ODLH played himself, and got dealt with!

The point I was making TO START WITH, is that Thurman vs. Pacquiao is nowhere near the same as ODLH vs. Pacquiao! Totally different set of circumstances! Pacquiao is a current champion, in the same weight class as Keith Thurman! Thurman shouldn't have even used that ****** analogy in the first place!

That doesn't make much sense, because when Oscar was planing to take on Forbes Pacquiao was fighting at superfeather.

Yet he was thinking of fighting Pacquiao at welter.

I guess asking a guy to move up 3 weights is OK but 4 weight classes is a no no.


Thurman's analogy is the young fighter in his prime beating the old dog and a changing of the guard

Analogies are not exact.

[IceTrayDaGang]

You don't know "What this was about!" This is about me saying that Thurman vs. Pacquiao is not the same as ODLH vs. Pacquiao in any shape, form, or fashion! Pacquiao is not draining down to fight Thurman, like ODLH had to drain down to fight PacquiaoThe only reason Floyd was brought up is because the poster said Oscar should be favorite because he was "the bigger man," to which I replied, Floyd had already beaten Oscar at 154, so that "bigger is better" theory is bogus!

If you think ODLH dropping to 147 for Pac, is the same as Canelo dropping to 152 for Floyd, DO YOU! I don't think it's anywhere near the same!

once again you bringing up age now when it was about coming down in weight. yes, it's the same thing, they BOTH have to come down in weight, 1lb apart!!! now that this was brought up to your attention, you wanna bring up age to deflect but like i said, pac is 40 fighting thurman but yet i dont see you dissing thurman for picking on 40 year old manny, you actually did the opposite by saying manny only picked thurman because thurman didnt look good in his last fight.

[Bronx2245]

so now it's about age? well, pac is 40 going into 41 fighting thurman who is 30. but i dont see you running around dissing thurman for picking a 40 year old? in fact, you actually did the opposite and said pac picked thurman because keith didnt look too good lol.

Really??? Who picked whom??? Pacquiao had a choice between Porter, Spence, and Thurman (Crawford too, if he wanted it)! He chose Thurman! Thurman would be a fool if he turned down that bag! I'm not going to diss him for that!

Pacquiao said he picked "the best available" at WW! I have a problem with that statement! The best 2 available are Spence and Crawford! I did say Thurman was the "most proven" of the WW Champions, because of fights he had 2 years ago, but he's not "the best available" at WW! And yes, judging the last performances of Spence, Porter, Thurman, Crawford, and Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman had the worst performance of them all!
I don't even see how that's debatable? Hey, if you believe Thurman is better than Spence and Crawford, and you believe Thurman performed better than Spence, Crawford, Porter, and Garcia, please DO YOU, and leave me the hell alone!

[Bronx2245]

That doesn't make much sense, because when Oscar was planing to take on Forbes Pacquiao was fighting at superfeather.

Yet he was thinking of fighting Pacquiao at welter.

I guess asking a guy to move up 3 weights is OK but 4 weight classes is a no no.


Thurman's analogy is the young fighter in his prime beating the old dog and a changing of the guard

Analogies are not exact.

Oscar knew Pacquiao was a star! He was alos being petty for some other things too, maybe you were too young to remember?

Fight with Pacquiao is personal for De La Hoya
December 3, 2008:

"It's very personal for me," De La Hoya said. "That moment there is what makes it personal, because I don't want him to be talking about honor and how he's honorable and this and that. No, he didn't honor me that night, so I'm not going to honor him come [Saturday]."

"That night" to which De La Hoya refers was the one on which he thought he had signed Pacquiao to become, outside of De La Hoya himself, the franchise fighter for Golden Boy Promotions.

Pacquiao had arrived in Los Angeles from the Philippines ahead of a news conference to announce his third fight with Top Rank's Erik Morales when De La Hoya met him at the airport with a limo and a briefcase filled with $300,000 to serve as a signing bonus. De La Hoya whisked him away for dinner in a private room at an L.A. steakhouse.

During the dinner, which was attended by De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach, Pacquiao attorney Jeng Gacal and a couple of Pacquiao's friends, Pacquiao eventually signed the promotional contract.

A few days later, De La Hoya gloated about signing Pacquiao, believing he had outsmarted Top Rank, which also wanted to sign him.

"It was basically us outthinking the competition," De La Hoya told ESPN.com at the time. "I had a goal and that goal was to sign Manny Pacquiao. We strategized and we figured it out and we were willing to do whatever it took to sign him."

Unbeknownst to De La Hoya, Pacquiao also agreed to a promotional contract with Top Rank, Bob Arum's company, which had long promoted De La Hoya before their acrimonious falling out.

The result of the double signing was a bitter feud between boxing's two biggest promotional powerhouses. There were lawsuits between the companies and a cold war that, to a large degree, paralyzed the sport in the United States because De La Hoya and Arum refused to make deals to match the stars of their stables.

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/co...dan&id=3741110

Oscar lost to Pacquiao! Oscar lost to Arum! Then Oscar lost his mind!

[D4thincarnation]

Oscar knew Pacquiao was a star! He was alos being petty for some other things too, maybe you were too young to remember?

Fight with Pacquiao is personal for De La Hoya
December 3, 2008:

"It's very personal for me," De La Hoya said. "That moment there is what makes it personal, because I don't want him to be talking about honor and how he's honorable and this and that. No, he didn't honor me that night, so I'm not going to honor him come [Saturday]."

"That night" to which De La Hoya refers was the one on which he thought he had signed Pacquiao to become, outside of De La Hoya himself, the franchise fighter for Golden Boy Promotions.

Pacquiao had arrived in Los Angeles from the Philippines ahead of a news conference to announce his third fight with Top Rank's Erik Morales when De La Hoya met him at the airport with a limo and a briefcase filled with $300,000 to serve as a signing bonus. De La Hoya whisked him away for dinner in a private room at an L.A. steakhouse.

During the dinner, which was attended by De La Hoya, Pacquiao, Golden Boy CEO Richard Schaefer, Pacquiao trainer Freddie Roach, Pacquiao attorney Jeng Gacal and a couple of Pacquiao's friends, Pacquiao eventually signed the promotional contract.

A few days later, De La Hoya gloated about signing Pacquiao, believing he had outsmarted Top Rank, which also wanted to sign him.

"It was basically us outthinking the competition," De La Hoya told ESPN.com at the time. "I had a goal and that goal was to sign Manny Pacquiao. We strategized and we figured it out and we were willing to do whatever it took to sign him."

Unbeknownst to De La Hoya, Pacquiao also agreed to a promotional contract with Top Rank, Bob Arum's company, which had long promoted De La Hoya before their acrimonious falling out.

The result of the double signing was a bitter feud between boxing's two biggest promotional powerhouses. There were lawsuits between the companies and a cold war that, to a large degree, paralyzed the sport in the United States because De La Hoya and Arum refused to make deals to match the stars of their stables.

http://www.espn.com/sports/boxing/co...dan&id=3741110

Oscar lost to Pacquiao! Oscar lost to Arum! Then Oscar lost his mind!

Well the Google search engine can only tell you so much.

Oscar wanted to fight Cotto. That is why he was going to 147lbs that is why he fought Forbes at 150lbs.

He wanted to end his career with a huge fight and Cotto was the biggest star around at the time. Much more than Pacquiao and he was a welterweight.

Oscar wanted those titles.

What went wrong?

Margarito, pulled off an upset and beat Cotto.

Oscar did not want to fight a Mexican and a Mexican star as Margarito did at the time.

It seems as you are too old and forgot.

Or maybe never knew about this at all.


Google it and you will see.

[IceTrayDaGang]

Really??? Who picked whom??? Pacquiao had a choice between Porter, Spence, and Thurman (Crawford too, if he wanted it)! He chose Thurman! Thurman would be a fool if he turned down that bag! I'm not going to diss him for that!

Pacquiao said he picked "the best available" at WW! I have a problem with that statement! The best 2 available are Spence and Crawford! I did say Thurman was the "most proven" of the WW Champions, because of fights he had 2 years ago, but he's not "the best available" at WW! And yes, judging the last performances of Spence, Porter, Thurman, Crawford, and Danny Garcia, Keith Thurman had the worst performance of them all!
I don't even see how that's debatable? Hey, if you believe Thurman is better than Spence and Crawford, and you believe Thurman performed better than Spence, Crawford, Porter, and Garcia, please DO YOU, and leave me the hell alone!

oscar picked pac at 147!!! but you threw shade at that fight. pac would be a fool to turn that fight down too right? now you wanna play this game of "who picked whom"?? oscar didnt have to fight pac at 147 either! LOL. you're a funny guy my friend.