Can you really consider Pacquiao a 8 division champ when he never........

[diplo]

It had elements of POP. Hand creams have elements of POP as well. The insert though was deemed illegal because it was wet. That's it. It could have been 100% water and it's still illegal. Now, do you plan on telling me any time soon exactly which fights Tony cheated? So far we know he only may have attempted to cheat.

Yes, but you know full well the presumptions that are automatically made when anyone is found to be 'cheating' whether it be PEDs or whatever. Jarrell Miller never tested positive until this time round, but I'm sure most of his previous fights are now su****ious, even though (I think) there's no way of going back to prove it one way or anything.

My point is, if the trainer was so bold as to think he could get away with it vs Mosely, a big fight with a lot of coverage, it's not unreasonable to suspect he may have done it before and gotten away with it. Alternatively, this might have been the first and only time he tried it. Win at all costs. That's elite mentality. So I know what I would suspect. And yes, I concede, it is merely a su****ion. But not without any basis. (When I say 'he' I mean his trainer, from what I've read, there's a reasonable chance Margarito might never have known).

The problem with it being wet, was that it contained something that when it was soon to dry, it would become basically as hard as cement. Not just because it was wet. Why would a wet hand wrap on its own give any advantage :/

[Boxingraya]

Yes, but you know full well the presumptions that are automatically made when anyone is found to be 'cheating' whether it be PEDs or whatever. Jarrell Miller never tested positive until this time round, but I'm sure most of his previous fights are now su****ious, even though (I think) there's no way of going back to prove it one way or anything.

My point is, if the trainer was so bold as to think he could get away with it vs Mosely, a big fight with a lot of coverage, it's not unreasonable to suspect he may have done it before and gotten away with it. Alternatively, this might have been the first and only time he tried it. Win at all costs. That's elite mentality. So I know what I would suspect. And yes, I concede, it is merely a su****ion. But not without any basis. (When I say 'he' I mean his trainer, from what I've read, there's a reasonable chance Margarito might never have known).

The problem with it being wet, was that it contained something that when it was soon to dry, it would become basically as hard as cement. Not just because it was wet. Why would a wet hand wrap on its own give any advantage :/

Lol. POP or any other hardening substance like that needs heat and to be kept dry and un******ed to become hard. There's just no way POP could get hard under the conditions of being in a hand wrap used for boxing. What it could have done was added weight to his punches. I saw the inserts though. They were maybe 2x2 inches and didn't appear to be very wet. How much weight and advantage Tony would have got is arguable. Have you seen the inserts yourself? If they wanted to cheat PEDs would have been a way better method. Hell just ask his opponent that night. If you wanted to make a case for this been the first time Tony cheated, there it is. Perhaps he knew he was going up against a cheat and said *** it let's load the wraps. Who knows? We do know that in every fight Tony's wraps were checked by the opponent and the commission though.

[miron_lang]

at this moment. Boxingscene has a front page article about Algieri..


how cool is that for Pac

[pacphobia]

The Pac vs Margarito fight was one of the worst "championship" fights I can remember. Not for the complete mismatch though. It was the idea that this fight should have a belt on the line, just to be able to call Pac an 8 division champ. A complete farce. Right up there with Floyd vs Conor.

SRL vs Lalonde was the worst championship fight ever no doubt about that.