Comments Thread For: Jacobs: Other Than Mayweather, I'm Canelo's Only 'Prime' Foe

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  • lopetego
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    #21
    Lara was in his prime

    Trout was in his prime too, and coming off his career's best W

    I agree that Floyd was in his prime. Just like he was against Guerrero, Maidana and Pacquiao.

    the one and only time Floyd showed signs of decline was in his final fight against Berto

    Floyd showed us the blueprint for having a long ass prime in boxing:

    - rest a lot
    - take long vacations, specially when your division is full of danger
    - avoid wars
    - have a ***** ass defensive style
    - have an antidoping organization in your pocket, so you can cheat while your opponents can't

    Originally posted by cjzmonzey
    You must be kidding me, right? He got whooped bad by Floyd and he lost two fights to GGG. How is he the best of a generation? Not even close. Not to mention he failed a drug test for PED's, you've got to absolutely be kidding me? The best cheater in a generation? He might have that title, but definitely not the best Boxer of this generation. You've got to be on some good stuff man.
    lmao what a casual

    Age isn't the only factor to determine a fighter's "prime"

    ring wars and taking damage can shorten your prime a lot. In fact, you can become shot after just ONE brutal fight

    Floyd was in no ring wars ever, that's one of the reasons his prime was long af

    Pacquiao is a warrior, so he had more wear and tear than Floyd when they fought, even if Floyd was older

    Erik Morales was in many rings wars, so he was shot to **** at the age of 30yo

    meanwhile, Marquez who was more defensive minded and not as much blood/guts warrior as Morales, was fighting at world level and still not shot at 38yo, when he KOd Pacquaio.
    Last edited by lopetego; 05-01-2019, 09:49 PM.

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    • Larry the boss
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      #22
      Mayweather was prime at 36?

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      • satiev1
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        #23
        Originally posted by dan_cov
        He said since Floyd though I disagree with that even. How was Erislandy Lara not prime?
        GGG also I certainly don't buy he conveniently was no longer prime the moment he stepped up and fought someone that had a pulse.
        Impossible to be at your prime at 36.

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          #24
          Originally posted by larryxxx..
          Mayweather was prime at 36?
          I honestly think fmj was at his absolute best after age 34 to age 37,he didn't age like most other fighters because he stayed in great shape & didn't take much punishment his whole career. That said I think whether a fighter is technically in his prime means little in boxing & its more important where they're at development wise & what their previous fights looked like as well as how their ring iq has developed. I think Ggg was at his absolute best when he faced Canelo & wouldve gotten outboxed had he fought him pre jacobs because the Jacobs fight made him better & made him learn that soupcans are different from elites. As I said imho more important than physical prime is overall best moment be it before or after physical prime.

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          • lopetego
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            #25
            Originally posted by larryxxx..
            Mayweather was prime at 36?
            Absolutely, you just have to watch his fight against Guerrero, look at those reflexes, an specially that explosive, blazing fast footwork. he could go from one side of the ring to the other in like 2 steps, it was crazy

            If that's not a fighter in his prime I dont know what it is

            Floyd was certainly at his best against Guerrero and weight drained ginger

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            • megas30
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              #26
              That was not a prime Floyd. Sorry to all the late comers, but prime Floyd was at 140.

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              • bigtyivier2k2
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                #27
                Originally posted by Drew Bundini Br
                FLOYD was old enough to be CANELO's father. Lol. He boxed the breaks off of CANELO winning at least 11 rounds and they still tried to rob him. JACOBS better not leave it up to the judges!
                Yes but Canelo was drained at a catch weight of 152

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                • boliodogs
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                  #28
                  i agree with Jacobs that Canelo lost two close fights to GGG but I think Canelo beat Lara by a couple of points and beat Trout by 4 points or more. Boxers always think they should have won close fights when they lost fair and square. I thought GGG clearly beat Jacobs and Jacobs did not look as good in his next two fights as he did against GGG. Canelo is vastly improved from the fighter he was 5 or 6 years ago when Mayweather beat him. Jacobs has be running his mouth overtime talking about KOing Canelo but he failed to KO his last two opponents and Canelo is twice as good and twice as tough as they were. I think it's Jacobs who gets knocked out in the late rounds with Canelo's body attack being the reason along with Canelo's faster hands and better skills plus a jaw of iron.If Jacobs wins I give him full credit for a great win but I still would not consider him the world's best middleweight until GGG loses a fight that I think he really lost. Right now I have GGG a winner over both Jacobs and Canelo so he is still the world's best middleweight to me. Jacobs is the third best middleweight in the world to me.That's just my honest opinion and I look forward to a great fight.

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                  • The D3vil
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                    #29
                    Originally posted by dan_cov
                    He said since Floyd though I disagree with that even. How was Erislandy Lara not prime?
                    GGG also I certainly don't buy he conveniently was no longer prime the moment he stepped up and fought someone that had a pulse.
                    It's not convenient to assume somebody 35 years old is no longer in their prime, especially if they're not a 240lb heavyweight or Bernard Hopkins

                    Originally posted by kushking
                    I honestly think fmj was at his absolute best after age 34 to age 37,he didn't age like most other fighters because he stayed in great shape & didn't take much punishment his whole career. That said I think whether a fighter is technically in his prime means little in boxing & its more important where they're at development wise & what their previous fights looked like as well as how their ring iq has developed. I think Ggg was at his absolute best when he faced Canelo & wouldve gotten outboxed had he fought him pre jacobs because the Jacobs fight made him better & made him learn that soupcans are different from elites. As I said imho more important than physical prime is overall best moment be it before or after physical prime.
                    Dude, The Floyd that beat Diego Corrales was the absolute best that Floyd ever was.

                    It's one of the greatest performances ever and that was a hell of a lot earlier than 36

                    Originally posted by lopetego
                    Lara was in his prime

                    Trout was in his prime too, and coming off his career's best W

                    I agree that Floyd was in his prime. Just like he was against Guerrero, Maidana and Pacquiao.

                    the one and only time Floyd showed signs of decline was in his final fight against Berto

                    Floyd showed us the blueprint for having a long ass prime in boxing:

                    - rest a lot
                    - take long vacations, specially when your division is full of danger
                    - avoid wars
                    - have a ***** ass defensive style
                    - have an antidoping organization in your pocket, so you can cheat while your opponents can't

                    lmao what a casual

                    Age isn't the only factor to determine a fighter's "prime"

                    ring wars and taking damage can shorten your prime a lot. In fact, you can become shot after just ONE brutal fight

                    Floyd was in no ring wars ever, that's one of the reasons his prime was long af

                    Pacquiao is a warrior, so he had more wear and tear than Floyd when they fought, even if Floyd was older

                    Erik Morales was in many rings wars, so he was shot to **** at the age of 30yo

                    meanwhile, Marquez who was more defensive minded and not as much blood/guts warrior as Morales, was fighting at world level and still not shot at 38yo, when he KOd Pacquaio.
                    Very few athletes of any sport are at their prime at 36, as the version of him who beat Chico Corrales is generally accepted as his greatest performance.

                    Floyd's no exception, he was just so much better than everyone else that even at weights that he wasn't at his best at and past his prime, he was still dominating as hell, like Jordan.

                    Jordan was past his prime once he started winning championships in the NBA, but he was that much better than everyone else that most people didn't notice.

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                    • Realizniguhnit
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                      #30
                      You guys are complete idiots if you really believe Floyd was in his prime at 36 years old.

                      He was simply a highly skilled elite boxer who stilled retained some athleticism and learned to adjust according to his age, but he def wasn't in his prime, you could see it in his footwork and how he moved more of his upper body to avoid punches than his legs.

                      It's like saying Dwayne Wade is still in his prime when he retired this year. Some nights it almost looked like he was still in his prime even though he clearly wasn't he just learned how to adjust his game.

                      Floyd even called himself an old man in the lead up to the Canelo fight. He's been consistent in saying time and time again he was good until he got over 30, then he slowed down quite a bit, it just so happened that his slowing down is still faster than 90& of lesser gifted athletes.

                      The main advantage Floyd had over pretty much all his opponents aside from natural ability was his experience at the top level in mega fights.
                      Last edited by Realizniguhnit; 05-01-2019, 10:24 PM.

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