Canelo vs Juan Francisco Estrada - Who's the superior mexican?

[Robi13]

Miguel Cotto. Cotto was top 10 P4P when Canelo fought him. Cotto is better then SSR and Canelo was as dominate or more against Cotto. GGG, Cotto, Mosley, Lara, Trout are better then Estrada's wins. And you just can't pretend or make Estrada's loses go away. Estrada win last night should get him finally in the bottom half of top 10 P4P. But canelo has better wins.

Estrada’s losses are controversial, he could be undefeated and the one loss on canelos resume was a clear loss. Idk it’s tough they are both great though. Same age but I think smaller fighters age faster... so we shall see how their careers play out. I highly doubt canelo can be this dominant vs Jacobs and Jacobs isn’t considered top 10 p4p

[BoxingIsGreat]

Meh, he wasn't the first non mexican fighter trying to win the mexican crowd and he won't be the last




Based on what? Estrada hasn't beaten someone as skillful as ginger. Gallo's biggest advantage would be his footwork, and Canelo has faced and beaten people with even better footwork before *points at the pic above*

only you and Rugnvisai's momma could actually think that

Loma schooled Rigo and made him quit like a *****, same Rigo everybody considered the second coming of boxing Jesus. he also beat Gary Rusell, who was considered the next black hope for muricans. both in dominant fashion.

Canelo barely won a decission over GGG and many ppl still believes he got a gift. had he beaten GGG in dominant fashion, I'd have to consider him P4P#1, but right now I have to place him behind King Loma


Canelo has better power, better combinations, best body punching in the game, better defense, and he's also one of the best counter punchers. I'd say Canelo is overall more skilled, it's just his cement feet that tend to be a problem, but he's improving in that sense, and also stamina wise, as the 2nd GGG match proved

ginger was victim of contaminated meat. how else do you explain Canelo having MORE stamina in the GGG rematch than in the first fight, where he was supposedly on PEDs?

Good for you.

[Robi13]

No he wasn't stop it. Cotto is better all-time and better and ranked higher at the time canelo fought him then Vilario. Even trout you can make the case who was undefeated at the time. I'll give you an older Mosley but that's it all the other guys I listed are better then Viloria . SSR is not better then GGG and I kill GGG but he is better. He caught lightning in a bottle and got chocalatito at the right time where he was fading struggling with the higher weights. And the SSR we saw last night isn't the same SSR that beat Estrada the first time. GGG and Cotto are both better then SSR.

Ggg and cotto were not better than chocolatito at the times that they fought against them... and I think Gallo beat Roman

[Mexican_Puppet]

No he wasn't stop it. Cotto is better all-time and better and ranked higher at the time canelo fought him then Vilario. Even trout you can make the case who was undefeated at the time. I'll give you an older Mosley but that's it all the other guys I listed are better then Viloria . SSR is not better then GGG and I kill GGG but he is better. He caught lightning in a bottle and got chocalatito at the right time where he was fading struggling with the higher weights. And the SSR we saw last night isn't the same SSR that beat Estrada the first time. GGG and Cotto are both better then SSR.

Cotto is better but they Cotto that fought with Canelo is not.

Viloria was in prime when Estrada schooled him

Look, Canelo was clearly the bigger man in that fight too.

It was the same fighter, Sor thrown 960 punches in the second fight against Estrada.

The difference is that Estrada was in a way better shape.

The fact is that Sor was dominant in the second fight against Choco, an élite fighter .

GGG could not do anything like that with elite rivals.

And I respect GGG, he is a great fighter with a lot of talent but Sor is wild, yeah, but he has other tools and a lot of succes against world class fighters.

The win against Cotto was not better than the win of Estrada against Sor.

Man, Cotto was small, he did anything in 154-160 pounds.

[FRANKIE420247]

Meh, he wasn't the first non mexican fighter trying to win the mexican crowd and he won't be the last




Based on what? Estrada hasn't beaten someone as skillful as ginger. Gallo's biggest advantage would be his footwork, and Canelo has faced and beaten people with even better footwork before *points at the pic above*

only you and Rugnvisai's momma could actually think that

Loma schooled Rigo and made him quit like a *****, same Rigo everybody considered the second coming of boxing Jesus. he also beat Gary Rusell, who was considered the next black hope for muricans. both in dominant fashion.

Canelo barely won a decission over GGG and many ppl still believes he got a gift. had he beaten GGG in dominant fashion, I'd have to consider him P4P#1, but right now I have to place him behind King Loma


Canelo has better power, better combinations, best body punching in the game, better defense, and he's also one of the best counter punchers. I'd say Canelo is overall more skilled, it's just his cement feet that tend to be a problem, but he's improving in that sense, and also stamina wise, as the 2nd GGG match proved

ginger was victim of contaminated meat. how else do you explain Canelo having MORE stamina in the GGG rematch than in the first fight, where he was supposedly on PEDs?

I dont buy it, theres ways around to pass tests. I heard canelo refused to test after the 2nd GGG fight. All I can say is canelo dosent eat street tacos like me and u. The guys a snake and a weight bully ask archie solis

[bigdunny1]

Estrada’s losses are controversial, he could be undefeated and the one loss on canelos resume was a clear loss. Idk it’s tough they are both great though. Same age but I think smaller fighters age faster... so we shall see how their careers play out. I highly doubt canelo can be this dominant vs Jacobs and Jacobs isn’t considered top 10 p4p

Canelo only loss was to maybe the best fighter of the last what 30 years and maybe one of the best all-time losing clear to Floyd is no shame. There are many hall of famers who have lost clear to Floyd as well. Canelo has better wins and you can scream I thought he won all you want fact is Estrada has multiple losses and to fighters no where near Floyd's level.

1 loss to Floyd > Multiple losses to fighters not named Floyd.

[Robi13]

Canelo only loss was to maybe the best fighter of the last what 30 years and maybe one of the best all-time losing clear to Floyd is no shame. There are many hall of famers who have lost clear to Floyd as well. Canelo has better wins and you can scream I thought he won all you want fact is Estrada has multiple losses and to fighters no where near Floyd's level.

1 loss to Floyd > Multiple losses to fighters not named Floyd.

I think they are both great and can’t go wrong with either let’s see how both their careers end up

[bigdunny1]

Ggg and cotto were not better than chocolatito at the times that they fought against them... and I think Gallo beat Roman

I'm talking about chocalito that SSR beat he was not the same fighter hell he almost lost to Cuardras before they fought. He was slowing down and not looking the same with the extra weight classes. Estrada fought a better chocalito and lost. Canelo lost to Floyd. Floyd > Chocalito. Canelo wins GGG, Cotto, Mosley, Trout, Lara these wins are better then Estrada wins. And I haven't brought up Estrada losses to SSR and Sanchez. Canelo has better wins, fewer losses and has accomplished more and he is actually younger then Estrada too.

[eco1]

With or without PED's

[Robi13]

I'm talking about chocalito that SSR beat he was not the same fighter hell he almost lost to Cuardras before they fought. He was slowing down and not looking the same with the extra weight classes. Estrada fought a better chocalito and lost. Canelo lost to Floyd. Floyd > Chocalito. Canelo wins GGG, Cotto, Mosley, Trout, Lara these wins are better then Estrada wins. And I haven't brought up Estrada losses to SSR and Sanchez. Canelo has better wins, fewer losses and has accomplished more and he is actually younger then Estrada too.

Gallos loss was a better loss then canelos loss.. you can’t make any case for canelo winning against Floyd. Many, including myself, believe Gallo beat Roman when Roman was regarded as top p4p