Juan Francisco Estrada is the new JMM

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  • ralex
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    #31
    Originally posted by Madison boxing
    He fights in a weak division. A lot of western men who had a good diet when they were brought up cant compete in them divisions. Adult males arent meant to weigh that little. Im not saying they wouldn't beat the **** out of me or trying to insult them im just saying a huge amount of developed nations are excluded from them divisons like the Americans and Europeans. It's usually third world nations like mexico and Asians who are naturally small who fight there whereas jmm proved his class in normal divisions
    Mexico is not a third world nation

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      #32
      Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
      Ok, I know what I have to do...

      What fighter of the list of rivals of Usyk was in a top-15 P4P list.


      Who?


      That's a excuse, Juan was not in the better shape in the first fight and it was too close with Sor in the southpaw stance.

      But haters gonna hate
      Gassiev had arguably earned the right to be top 15 but that stuff isn’t as cut and dry as “He beat a higher ranked guy” otherwise Rungvisai would have been p4p #1 before yesterday.

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        #33
        Originally posted by Madison boxing
        He fights in a weak division. A lot of western men who had a good diet when they were brought up cant compete in them divisions. Adult males arent meant to weigh that little. Im not saying they wouldn't beat the **** out of me or trying to insult them im just saying a huge amount of developed nations are excluded from them divisons like the Americans and Europeans. It's usually third world nations like mexico and Asians who are naturally small who fight there whereas jmm proved his class in normal divisions


        Let's be serious, if Brit bums could make the weight they would still be handled like the Brit bums they are.

        Estrada is a serious talent and merits consideration for being somewhere in the top 10 P4P. His skills and resume have earned him that.

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        • Mexican_Puppet
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          #34
          Originally posted by chrisJS
          Gassiev had arguably earned the right to be top 15 but that stuff isn’t as cut and dry as “He beat a higher ranked guy” otherwise Rungvisai would have been p4p #1 before yesterday.
          Ok, I respect your opinion, but what did Gassiev to earn the right to be top-15 ?


          I like skills, man, thats the reason why im fan of Floyd, Lara, Rigo, Andre, B-Hops, and other guys, Gassiev, in my opinion, is a very limited fighter, he is dangerous because his power and he lands big left hooks, but he is too limited, poor IQ, poor defense, poor variety of punches...

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          • Madison Boxing
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            #35
            Originally posted by ShoulderRoll


            Let's be serious, if Brit bums could make the weight they would still be handled like the Brit bums they are.

            Estrada is a serious talent and merits consideration for being somewhere in the top 10 P4P. His skills and resume have earned him that.
            I dont see many 'brit bums' getting handled at heavyweight, boxings most famous division

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              #36
              Been calling him that! He is indeed a Mini JMM!

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                #37
                Originally posted by Madison boxing
                He fights in a weak division. A lot of western men who had a good diet when they were brought up cant compete in them divisions. Adult males arent meant to weigh that little. Im not saying they wouldn't beat the **** out of me or trying to insult them im just saying a huge amount of developed nations are excluded from them divisons like the Americans and Europeans. It's usually third world nations like mexico and Asians who are naturally small who fight there whereas jmm proved his class in normal divisions
                This is one of the most ignorant posts i've ever seen. You really don't know ****.

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                • chrisJS
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                  #38
                  Originally posted by Mexican_Puppet
                  Ok, I respect your opinion, but what did Gassiev to earn the right to be top-15 ?


                  I like skills, man, thats the reason why im fan of Floyd, Lara, Rigo, Andre, B-Hops, and other guys, Gassiev, in my opinion, is a very limited fighter, he is dangerous because his power and he lands big left hooks, but he is too limited, poor IQ, poor defense, poor variety of punches...
                  Wins of Lebedev to win the title then unified with Dorticos who is a beast too. Sometimes a limited fighter can be high quality too. There’s been tons in history that were great.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Madison boxing
                    I dont see many 'brit bums' getting handled at heavyweight, boxings most famous division
                    Great.

                    There is no heavyweight currently who is in the class of Estrada as a fighting man. In terms of skills or boxing IQ.

                    But you would have to actually respect the craft of boxing to be able to see that.

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                    • Chrismart
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                      #40
                      He's a quality fighter, no doubt, and should be on the P4P list.

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