Spence vs Porter Close to Being Finalized, Will Not be on PPV?

[killakali]

Or maybe they wanna expose him to a larger audience for free. I would've liked it better if it were against Danny Garcia on Fox. I hope we never have any more PPVs.

If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well

[killakali]

If it does around 250k, then it would have done more than Crawford/Khan....By damn near 100k. There is nothing from this point on until the two fight that will hurt Spence's leverage minus catching an actual loss or looking super mediocre. But even looking mediocre won't if he just beats the top opponents, that will be bigger names than Crawford's opponents. After Crawford/Khan completely tanked, Bob can't put him on PPV against anyone put Spence or any other PBC fighter. Once Spence gets the winner of Thurman/Pac on PPV, it will obviously be a complete wrap. But I'm pretty damn confident Spence/Porter does more than 150k buys, and quite a bit more. The FOX promotion behind the PPVs is a whole another beast compared to SHO or especially from what we saw with ESPN.

He's not creating no illusion with me, I completely understand what is happening. It is YOU that is not understanding. You are trying to pinpoint the PPV success mainly to Garcia when he's shown nothing to put himself above Spence in terms of star level. In fact, I said they were pretty much equal stars heading into the fight and Spence emerged as the bigger star after the fight.

And every PBC PPV put out has done 300k+. Espinoza specifically said if a PPV does not do more than 250-300k buys, then it is not worth putting it on PPV. There is obviously a chance Spence/Porter won't do more than 300k buys, so if they can fund it on SHO or FOX, what is the problem? And of course, same applies for Wilder/Breazeale.

Broner hasn't done a million on SHO for a while. He is certainly #2 behind Wilder right now, but if Spence reaches the million mark, he would do more than Broner against Mikey or Vargas or Granados etc.

#1 Spence Porter doing 250k is about 50k more than Crawford-Khan lol. Interesting way you rounded that and I would be more inclined to think it does closer to 300k than 250k.

You said Espinoza said if fights do 250k-300k buys they aren’t worthy of ppv well the real Wilder-Fury number is 291k and Mikey vs Spence didn’t beat that threshold by a lot either lol.

The reason Spence-Porter wouldn’t be in ppv isn’t to build him up. Its because they don’t think it’s big enough and they don’t want Spence to flop on ppv. Just like the don’t want wilder-Breazeale to flop.

There isn’t enough money on fox or showtime for either fight. Haymon is taking money out of his own pocket to finance these fights at a loss. It isn’t sustainable. It’s Waddell and Reed money.

Wilder Breazeale has close to a combined $20 million in purses. You know showtime isn’t paying more than 5-7 mil for that fight and that’s a lot for a fight that will have 1-.2-1.4 mil viewers.

The rest is coming from haymon’s investor money. That was to keep wilder from going to DAZN.

Spence isn’t going to take a big pay cut from 6-8 mil for garcia to face a real welterweight in porter in a unification. You think porter is taking that fight for less than 4 mil? I sure don’t.

Haymon will be making the fight at a loss because when the time comes to make Crawford Spence they can pint to Crawford doing 200k buys vs khan but won’t want the counter argument to be yeah but Spence only did 200k Van porter.

That is all this is. It’s about power and leverage. And without a strong latino opponent or Pacquiao, Spence ain’t selling ppvs. Just facts.

[BoxingIsGreat]

If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well

That too. I wouldn't buy it.

[Mister Wolf]

If they wanted to expose him to a larger audience for free his fight vs Mikey would have been on fox. It’s because they know it won’t sell very well

True story.

[Nehnenqui]

SOURCES: The welterweight unification matchup between Errol Spence Jr. and Shawn Porter isn’t finalized yet but it’s getting close. The fight could land at Barclays Center in Brooklyn, New York, this summer. Told it’s unlikely to land on PPV

— Mike Coppinger (@MikeCoppinger) April 26, 2019

Wish they would have gone back to Dallas to be honest. Let Spence put together another crowd. But if the fight is in September, may not be possible with the NFL season starting up. And Porter isn't bringing in what Mikey did.

If not on PPV, that's great news. Will need to see it to believe it though.

They’re not going back to Dallas because the crowd wasn’t there for him. You could hear crickets when Spence made his ring entrance. I felt bad for him.

[Curtis Harper]

Porter and PPV should never be in the same sentence.

[Nehnenqui]

Smart move not to put the fight on PPV.

For now they can continue the facade that Spence was responsible for the attendance and PPV numbers against Mikey. A PPV bomb against Porter would reveal the truth.

[Mister Wolf]

They’re not going back to Dallas because the crowd wasn’t there for him. You could hear crickets when Spence made his ring entrance. I felt bad for him.

Spence came out dressed as Captain Mexico with not a Mexican holiday in sight. We all know who was the main draw in that fight including Spence. Crawford would have never done that **** he reps his own.

[2ndroundko]

thats a good idea. would be risky to put it on ppv. spence isnt at the point where he can carry one by himself. and porter isnt ppv material.

if it was fox ppv, they could probably pull off another 300K. but why risk it? im sure they're doing their homework and figuring that out and maybe they see it might not hit that mark. but i like the unification regardless. hopefully its on regular fox.

[KTFOKING]

#1 Spence Porter doing 250k is about 50k more than Crawford-Khan lol. Interesting way you rounded that and I would be more inclined to think it does closer to 300k than 250k.

You said Espinoza said if fights do 250k-300k buys they aren’t worthy of ppv well the real Wilder-Fury number is 291k and Mikey vs Spence didn’t beat that threshold by a lot either lol.

The reason Spence-Porter wouldn’t be in ppv isn’t to build him up. Its because they don’t think it’s big enough and they don’t want Spence to flop on ppv. Just like the don’t want wilder-Breazeale to flop.

There isn’t enough money on fox or showtime for either fight. Haymon is taking money out of his own pocket to finance these fights at a loss. It isn’t sustainable. It’s Waddell and Reed money.

Wilder Breazeale has close to a combined $20 million in purses. You know showtime isn’t paying more than 5-7 mil for that fight and that’s a lot for a fight that will have 1-.2-1.4 mil viewers.

The rest is coming from haymon’s investor money. That was to keep wilder from going to DAZN.

Spence isn’t going to take a big pay cut from 6-8 mil for garcia to face a real welterweight in porter in a unification. You think porter is taking that fight for less than 4 mil? I sure don’t.

Haymon will be making the fight at a loss because when the time comes to make Crawford Spence they can pint to Crawford doing 200k buys vs khan but won’t want the counter argument to be yeah but Spence only did 200k Van porter.

That is all this is. It’s about power and leverage. And without a strong latino opponent or Pacquiao, Spence ain’t selling ppvs. Just facts.

LOL, about 50k more? So funny how YOU round Crawford/Khan to 200k. I guess if you want to do that, we can round Spence/Garcia to 400k right? Since all reports were it did around 350-400k, and then Iole said 360k while Coppinger said it could reach 380-400k.

So you think Spence/Porter does 300k? Okay cool, so then that does damn near double Crawford/Khan. Either way, you agree that fight does better numbers.

Oh, so now the real number for Wilder/Fury was 291k eh? Okay, then the real number for Crawford/Khan was then closer to 100k opposed to 150k? I mean you got Hearn telling everyone at fights that fight did 100k.

If the purses for Wilder/Breazeale are going to be around 20M, no way is SHO only paying 5-7M of that. No way in hell is that the case. Are you kidding? It was on SHO to to get this fight on their network after seeing what ESPN and DAZN offered Wilder for Breazeale. Finkel said they were happy enough with SHO's offer and Arum mentioned SHO matched their offer for that fight. You think Haymon is going to just spend 13-15M out of his own money for that fight? GTFO, if that was the case he would have just put it on PPV.

Spence's guarantee according to Idec was 9M while Garcia's was 8.5M. Spence likely walked away with 10 or so million for that fight. Of course he's not getting that much for Porter. Even if it was on PPV he would have received a smaller guarantee. But is it crazy to think SHO will put say a 10-12M license fee for that fight? No, that's possible since it's not like they have had many big money cards thus far.

Spence vs Thurman if he beats Pacquiao absolutely sells on PPV. It goes without saying Spence sells against Pacquiao. You admitted he would sell more PPVs vs Porter than Crawford did against Khan...And after Crawford did such terrible numbers against Khan, TR isn't putting him on PPV anytime soon. So he will be fighting on ESPN+ for the next two or three fights while Spence will get in at least one more PPV, if not two more during that stretch.

Spence himself said why would I split 50/50 with Crawford when I doubled his PPV buys? Do you think Arum doesn't know that? There is a reason he asked for 50/50 right off the bat knowing damn well his fighter doesn't have a case for that. The split as time goes on isn't going to all of a sudden get closer. Spence is going to separate his name and star value from Crawford.