lowball eddie confirmed

[TX_BOXNG]

At least offer what Miller was getting lol, either way I think Ortiz should of still taking it, lets see where it ends

[Curt Henning]

Ortiz's biggest payday is 500K. Saying 5mil is a lowball offer is ******ed. You're also ******ed if you think it is. I may be a working stiff but not ******ed enough to call 5 million lowball

Especially when he's never made anywhere near that much. He won't get an offer like this from anyone else. Wrap your simple mind around that

why cant u ruhtards realize his previous high payday is irrelevant? hes not fighting those guys again...hes not right wilder or anyone else....hes fighting AJ

hearn set the market for this fight when he gave miller 6.5...why are you guys so dumb? he was trying to fight AJ...not hammer again..not wilder....but AJ....the guy that was willing to pay miller 6.5 to be his opponent

its a really simple concept to follow yet it escapes you

[Toffee]

Everyone who talks about Joshua is looking for enough money to be able to retire in extreme wealth.

Should give you some indication of how they see the fight going.

[Real King Kong]

if they suspect ortiz is cycling offer him what you offered miller and call the bluff

not offering what you offered miller says you arent serious

ortiz is ranked higher and has fought as many times in NY in the last 3 years of miller

ortiz also have a FOTY candidate against a top 3 HW in NY

hes worth every penny miller is...

whats suspect is offering ortiz less than miller...it says you arent serious

what ortiz made before or against wilder or whoever is irrelevant...hearn set the market price here with miller for AJs american debut........if ortiz was to take the fight hes not fight wilder or whoever else...hes fighting AJ....whatever ortiz made previously is irrelevant...if miller is worth 6.5 so is ortiz

Let Ortiz turn it down and pay someone else less. Ortiz is just shooting himself in the foot here. It’s quite possible he’ll never see an opportunity like this again. It’s easy to sit on the sidelines and take a hard line stance about what fighters should get, but this guy has to think about his life and his family’s lives and what an opportunity this is.

[Curt Henning]

based on the idiotic logic of the AJ/hearn fanboys since they ortizs previous high payday was 500k should hearn have offered ortiz 501k and said "hey we gave you a raise..more than your previous high"?

would that be ok with you? if you answer yes you should go drink a nice lukewarm glass of bleach....because you have no concept of markets and money and life

hearn set the market....6.5...if you are ranked higher than miller and actually have US tv exposure and have been in a FOTY candidate against wilder in ny then you are entitled to at least that......

but its obvious hearn would rather give AJs fans an easy night work and a knockout and save himself 4.5 million

it boggles my mind how dumb you guys can actually be....like you cant really believe your own BS

[Real King Kong]

based on the idiotic logic of the AJ/hearn fanboys since they ortizs previous high payday was 500k should hearn have offered ortiz 501k and said "hey we gave you a raise..more than your previous high"?

would that be ok with you? if you answer yes you should go drink a nice lukewarm glass of bleach....because you have no concept of markets and money and life

hearn set the market....6.5...if you are ranked higher than miller and actually have US tv exposure and have been in a FOTY candidate against wilder in ny then you are entitled to at least that......

but its obvious hearn would rather give AJs fans an easy night work and a knockout and save himself 4.5 million

it boggles my mind how dumb you guys can actually be....like you cant really believe your own BS

You’re looking for a reason to hate on Hearn and it’s clouding the big picture here. Are you saying Ortiz should not accept 5mil for this fight? I’m not talking about negotiating back and forth here...I mean if 5 mil was the absolute final offer, do you think Ortiz should walk away from this opportunity?

[koolkc107]

There are a couple of things I feel folks on both side of this argument are missing.

Should Ortiz have taken the 5M?

Probably.

But then again, I thought Golovkin was pricing himself out asking for more money for the rematch after Clemnelo popped positive.

Turns out, G knew better than most of us.

And, no matter how this turns out, Ortiz knows better than most of us too.

5M is great money...but it also a lowball if there ever was one.

The OP has a point. This isn't about career paydays. It certainly wasn't when they offered Miller 6.5M

Offering a better fighter stepping in on short notice less than the original fighter is a lowball.

Period.

No other rational way to see it, even if you do think he should have taken the money.

Yes, it was a lot of money but even that "career payday" thing has an asterisk or two attached.

Ortiz took 500K for Wilder...but Wilder only made 2.1M. That's an 80/20 split roughly.

And that's about the same split Miller was going to get (6.5M to AJ's 32M).

Offering Ortiz 5M takes that down to about an 85/15 split...again for a higher ranked fighter.

That's just bad business if you are trying to get a quality opponent.

But, looking at it in total, it's even worse in some respects.

Put simply, Ortiz would have been a better opponent than Miller in the first place.

This is AJ's US debut. And, while having a local fighter helps sell the Garden, having a higher profile fighter nationally probably sells more DAZN subscriptions. More DAZN subscriptions ups AJ's US profile.

Wasn't that the whole idea?

Ortiz was that guy.

And by the way, if you think Ortiz would not have been a draw and help sell tickets in NYC, with it's huge latino population, you just haven't been paying attention.

If you can say Ortiz is a fool for allowing 1.5M to keep him from a huge payday, then how much more of a fool is Hearn for allowing a few million to keep him and AJ from one of the highest profile matchups of the year?

How much will AJ's US profile suffer or be set back by not having a creditable opponent June 1st?

It's the definition of not seeing the forest for the trees...much more by Hearn than Luis.

[deanrw]

hearn sets market price on miller at 6.5

hearn offers higher ranked fighter 5 mil...higher ranked guy also had a FOTY candidate in NYC against a top 3 HW....

surefire way to kill fight he didn't want

remember....Ortiz is not only not the first HW to accuse hearn of lowballing...hearn has been accused by several guys of it in the past

its sad...but I get it...Ortiz too dangerous of a replacement plus lefthanded

for the record Ortiz asking for 10 mil is ridiculous...but I bet if eddie said 6.5 it would be done

never underestimate that extra 1.5...it pays trainers and managers and camp expenses.....but somehow hearn felt the less ballyhooed miller deserved more!!!! LOL

Miller is a Local undefeated NY fighter. He would add to the ticket sales and hype. Ortiz does not deserve as much period. 5 Million is OVERPAYING him.

[LacedUp]

why cant u ruhtards realize his previous high payday is irrelevant? hes not fighting those guys again...hes not right wilder or anyone else....hes fighting AJ

hearn set the market for this fight when he gave miller 6.5...why are you guys so dumb? he was trying to fight AJ...not hammer again..not wilder....but AJ....the guy that was willing to pay miller 6.5 to be his opponent

its a really simple concept to follow yet it escapes you

It's irrelevant to curt henning Ortiz's virtual money manager from boxingscene who thinks money is just a number.

Ortiz should rather stick to his principles than getting retirement money and getting his daughter proper help.

After all, it's more important that he gets exactly what Miller got rather than making his life and getting his sick daughter healthy.

[LacedUp]

There are a couple of things I feel folks on both side of this argument are missing.

Should Ortiz have taken the 5M?

Probably.

But then again, I thought Golovkin was pricing himself out asking for more money for the rematch after Clemnelo popped positive.

Turns out, G knew better than most of us.

And, no matter how this turns out, Ortiz knows better than most of us too.

5M is great money...but it also a lowball if there ever was one.

The OP has a point. This isn't about career paydays. It certainly wasn't when they offered Miller 6.5M

Offering a better fighter stepping in on short notice less than the original fighter is a lowball.

Period.

No other rational way to see it, even if you do think he should have taken the money.

Yes, it was a lot of money but even that "career payday" thing has an asterisk or two attached.

Ortiz took 500K for Wilder...but Wilder only made 2.1M. That's an 80/20 split roughly.

And that's about the same split Miller was going to get (6.5M to AJ's 32M).

Offering Ortiz 5M takes that down to about an 85/15 split...again for a higher ranked fighter.

That's just bad business if you are trying to get a quality opponent.

But, looking at it in total, it's even worse in some respects.

Put simply, Ortiz would have been a better opponent than Miller in the first place.

This is AJ's US debut. And, while having a local fighter helps sell the Garden, having a higher profile fighter nationally probably sells more DAZN subscriptions. More DAZN subscriptions ups AJ's US profile.

Wasn't that the whole idea?

Ortiz was that guy.

And by the way, if you think Ortiz would not have been a draw and help sell tickets in NYC, with it's huge latino population, you just haven't been paying attention.

If you can say Ortiz is a fool for allowing 1.5M to keep him from a huge payday, then how much more of a fool is Hearn for allowing a few million to keep him and AJ from one of the highest profile matchups of the year?

How much will AJ's US profile suffer or be set back by not having a creditable opponent June 1st?

It's the definition of not seeing the forest for the trees...much more by Hearn than Luis.

Don't think you get that Ortiz is a voluntary replacement on short notice