Comments Thread For: Loeffler: To Me Golovkin is Undefeated, Best at 160, Beat Canelo

[Shadoww702]

Either way they were both close enough that GGG has an argument he deserved to win which is more or less what Tommy L is saying.

For the record I had the first fight 6-6 even & the second fight 7-5 GGG. But again lotsa close rounds so any decision woulda been within the realm of reasonable to me.

I thought Canelo's slickness in the first fight was exceptional I just think his gas tank was poor so it made the fight closer than it shoulda been too often. When Canelo was on he was making GGG look ordinary he just slowed down too much. In the 2nd fight I thought the jab of GGG was the most consistent thing in the fight & was the edge in the close rounds for me.

I have zero problem with 7-5 either way for either fight. My issue is the crying robbery or the 8+ rounds ggg fans saying he easily won. The 1st fight u are correct. Canelo gassed bigtime in the middle rounds. He won majority of the 1st and last few rounds with ggg winning the middle ones.

IMO Canelo hurts him in a 3rd fight. He has GGG timed now. And we all know Canelo is already a more complete, better boxer than ggg is especially now.

[Eff Pandas]

IMO Canelo hurts him in a 3rd fight. He has GGG timed now. And we all know Canelo is already a more complete, better boxer than ggg is especially now.

Idk man.

Sometimes I think a KO is possible, but most of the time I just lean towards thinking Canelo can put the best of both sides of himself together, the aggression & the elusive, & win clearly & without any argument or dispute in the 3rd fight.

Then again I don't think its crazy to think it'll be another close fight. Cuz the reality is outside of that one nutty scorecard in the first fight these guys are super close competitively with each other & idk if we should expect that to change unless GGG just gets old on fight night. I definitely don't think Canelo has distanced himself as THAT superior from GGG in the ring despite showing glances of superiority in small pockets here & there.

[angkag]

With K2 promotions now discontinued, and Loeffler now working for GGG promotions, that makes GGG his boss, and Loeffler would be out of a job without him. Loeffler is basically saying 'I've got the best boss ever' - who doesn't say that ? (when the boss is listening...).

As for the state of GGG, can he fight at the same level as Canelo I or first Jacobs fight still ? I doubt it - meantime Canelo and Jacobs likely same level or better. If GGG fought either and was able to make it close, good for him, but odds are against it.

[TonyGe]

He's saying this is the fight that DAZN wanted?

Well - it's their money I guess. Do Canadians care about Steve Rolls?

I'm Canadian and I've never heard of Steve Rolls.

[TonyGe]

Either way they were both close enough that GGG has an argument he deserved to win which is more or less what Tommy L is saying.

For the record I had the first fight 6-6 even & the second fight 7-5 GGG. But again lotsa close rounds so any decision woulda been within the realm of reasonable to me.

I thought Canelo's slickness in the first fight was exceptional I just think his gas tank was poor so it made the fight closer than it shoulda been too often. When Canelo was on he was making GGG look ordinary he just slowed down too much. In the 2nd fight I thought the jab of GGG was the most consistent thing in the fight & was the edge in the close rounds for me.

If Canelo can't slip that jab he is always going to have problems with Golovkin. Both guys could improve in the third fight, if there is a third and it's done soon.

[Eff Pandas]

If Canelo can't slip that jab he is always going to have problems with Golovkin.

Yea I can't argue with that.

I'm dying to be of the opinion that Canelo can be super dominate & end the fight or be clear in victory in a 3rd go around, but my gut & mind is saying the primary factor making this fight close each time thus far is GGG can be pretty consistent & effective all night while Canelo may have glimpses of superior ability far above GGG he's going to lapse into inaction or ineffective tactics too often to bridge the gap between them enough for a stoppage or just a wide W.

Eh. Whatever doe. Unlike most I'm happy to see a 3rd fight between them. I enjoy both guys for what they offer & I love how competitive these fights have been. I won't be mad at a 4th fight at some point if the 3rd one looks like the last 2. Casuals really come out for these two too which is always good.

[TonyGe]

Yea I can't argue with that.

I'm dying to be of the opinion that Canelo can be super dominate & end the fight or be clear in victory in a 3rd go around, but my gut & mind is saying the primary factor making this fight close each time thus far is GGG can be pretty consistent & effective all night while Canelo may have glimpses of superior ability far above GGG he's going to lapse into inaction or ineffective tactics too often to bridge the gap between them enough for a stoppage or just a wide W.

Eh. Whatever doe. Unlike most I'm happy to see a 3rd fight between them. I enjoy both guys for what they offer & I love how competitive these fights have been. I won't be mad at a 4th fight at some point if the 3rd one looks like the last 2. Casuals really come out for these two too which is always good.

Absolutely I want to see a third fight also. Don't understand why people wouldn't. Both guys could make improvements. Canelo can try and nullify the jab and Golovkin can try to find a way to get to his body. Maybe it will be a wrestling match. Who knows....

[Eff Pandas]

Absolutely I want to see a third fight also. Don't understand why people wouldn't. Both guys could make improvements. Canelo can try and nullify the jab and Golovkin can try to find a way to get to his body. Maybe it will be a wrestling match. Who knows....

Yea f#cking hell man GGG is driving me crazy with not going to Canelo's body. Thats a classic tactic to use on a guy with stamina issues. Abel is a ****** genius I think. Guy is obviously a really good trainer, but the body attack just seems so damn obvious yet he's not doing it for some reason.

I remember someone saying after the first fight that it'd been ****** for GGG to do that cuz he'd have gotten hit more or some such wonky logic, but sh^t man GGG got hit a ton in the 2nd fight & he still didn't go to the damn body very much.

Man I'd be on some Mickey old school sh^t in the Rocky movie trying to get GGG thinking about attacking the body more cuz it'll get Canelo less active sooner or later & while GGG might be getting hit more early the payout will come with that approach cuz thats one of the glaring weaknesses in Canelo. Stamina issues just don't go away typically.

[TonyGe]

Yea f#cking hell man GGG is driving me crazy with not going to Canelo's body. Thats a classic tactic to use on a guy with stamina issues. Abel is a ****** genius I think. Guy is obviously a really good trainer, but the body attack just seems so damn obvious yet he's not doing it for some reason.

I remember someone saying after the first fight that it'd been ****** for GGG to do that cuz he'd have gotten hit more or some such wonky logic, but sh^t man GGG got hit a ton in the 2nd fight & he still didn't go to the damn body very much.

Man I'd be on some Mickey old school sh^t in the Rocky movie trying to get GGG thinking about attacking the body more cuz it'll get Canelo less active sooner or later & while GGG might be getting hit more early the payout will come with that approach cuz thats one of the glaring weaknesses in Canelo. Stamina issues just don't go away typically.

Great post.........

[aboutfkntime]

Nonsense!! When GG fights and beats a CHARLO or ANDRADE he can be rated better but in his whole career he's only fought 2 major fighters JACOBS and CANELO.

that is the point

it was all fun-n-games when the division was dead, and their "duckin me doe" rubbish..... was new.....

..... but now the division is much healthier, and that "duckin me doe" rubbish..... is old

they need to find a new line..... or pay the price with the fans

Golovkin could be top 5..... I was very confident that Jacobs would beat Golovkin in a immediate rematch, and I know that Canelo is a better fighter..... and I have no idea if Golovkin can beat Charlo Andrade or Saunders..... he seems totally unwilling to take those kind of fights, right back BEFORE Derevyanchenko

they badly need to..... a) find a new line, because that line is old..... b) actually fight a credible opponent not named Canelo.....

Tom attempting to paint a picture that the only reason why they did not fight Saunders is because BJS wanted more money..... is absolute utter rubbish

they had three opportunities to fight Saunders.....

1) they lowballed him 1.5m, and then quickly ran off to fight Wade, WITH NO COUNTER-OFFER..... Saunders then watched Kell Brook make 4.5m

Brook made 4.5m because they actually wanted to fight Brook

2) Saunders accepted their terms and signed to fight Golovkin in Kazakhstan, but Golovkin (understandably) selected Canelo (the first fight)..... so STFU Tom, you lying piece-of-shlt LMAO, Saunders did not price himself out

3) Saunders offered to fight Golovkin in June, but Speedy Golovkin NEEDED to fight in May (WTF?) so he selected Vanes

if Golovkin had chased his " dream ", he would not have been stripped by the IBF for ducking Derevyanchenko..... because a unification rules higher than a mando.....

..... Golovkin had his " dream " handed to him on a silver platter, but he passed..... so listening to this golov-nonsense is becoming more and more difficult

that is the thing with lies

first.....

they cannot insist that Golovkin is #1..... because, Canelo is #1

second.....

good luck insisting that you can beat Jacobs, Andrade, Charlo, Saunders..... because, we are not convinced, and you will not fight them