Prime for prime who wins in a fight between golovkin and martinez?

[RA-Box]

Funny, in many ways GGG is just Pavlik 2.0

[Curtis Harper]

For those saying Martinez, I want a breakdown of how you think he would beat and possibly stop G.

GGG clearly has issues with movers. Unorthodox movers with power and excellent ring generalship and it spells a bad night for GGG.

In his 3 toughest fights, GGG only managed a flash kd vs Jacobs and Jacobs wasn't ever hurt. Nelo limited GGG to basically a jab.

Marvella would slowly bust up GGG and end him without having much trouble. Terrible match, style wise, for GGG.

[TonyGe]

right, so..... the guy who ducked Derevyanchenko and Saunders, could have beaten Hopkins?

there is nothing to indicate that Golovkin could have beaten Martinez, Hopkins, or Taylor LMAO..... in fact, I doubt he would even take those fights

hard to imagine that the guy who refused to drop a single pound for 153lb Cotto, and the guy who avoided guys like Lara..... even taking dangerous fights like prime Martinez, Hopkins, etc.....

this really is a silly fantasy thread..... because I say that Golovkin likely makes weak excuses to avoid Martinez..... like he did everyone else

Come on you know as well as most people on this forum that Lou Dibella said there's no way Martinez is getting in the ring with Golovkin when Golovkin wanted to fight him. I understand that there were more lucrative fights out there for Martinez and he was in his late 30s but the fact is he avoided fighting Golovkin.

Lou Dibella quote.

Who would give a flying ****, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."

Dibella quote #2
"Sergio will be out for at least a year. You saw his last fight, he won it on guts and will and balls alone. He had no knee, he had no hand, and I'm not sending a champion who is 38-years-old - after a year plus layoff - into a ring with this guy. I'm not saying they will never fight. I'm not speaking for Sergio, who is a grown as man and controls his own career. The successor to Sergio Martiknez has already been determined and the next great middleweight is Triple G."

It's understandable why Martinez never fought Golovkin but he plainly didn't want to not the other way around.

[Mexican_Puppet]

That wasn’t a prime Chavez jr who fought Carlos Molina, stop the lie!

Prime Chavez jr is when he beat Prime Andy Lee and nearly stopped Martínez!

Canelo fought Chavez jr at a catch weight of 164 when Chavez wanted it at 168 but fought Fielding at 168, he fought a washed up and zombified Chavez jr who sacrificed his own brain mass to make the weight so bad that he allowed **********s to rob him!

Canelo isn’t known for having fast feet and yet in the first fight he was outboxing ggg with footwork and using the ring and only got on the ropes when he chose to yet you think Martínez who has superior foot speed to Canelo will be allowing ggg to cut the ring effectively! Not a chance!

Maravilla would’ve took ggg
to school and ended the HBO hype machine before it even started just like Pirog would’ve if he’d never had a career ending injury!

Chávez JR barely won the fight against Zbick , and a year after he fought Martínez.

Man, you can't talk with me about mexican boxing.

Chávez jR never had a prime, Martínez was lucky yo fight with a popular bum only because his name.

JR always was a sh.it, he barely won against Cuello, and Canelo destroyed Cuello easily and stopped him in 6.

Brian Vera deserved the win against JR.

JR looked like sh.it against Rubio

Man, that was not a good win.

And the catchweight was fair, Canelo gained 10 pounds, Jr only cutted 3.

And JR was in his best shape according to him and Don Nacho, he trained very well and a lot of people here in México were saying that Jr would beat Nelo.

Nelo never outboxed GGG in the first fight, Canelo has not an impressive footwork but he has a great defense, better than Martinez, Martínez was akward but always struggled with shots, was dropped a lot of times and took much risk and punishment.

And Canelo has an iron chin, the same shots than GGG landed on Nelo would be too much for Martínez

[Mexican_Puppet]

Come on you know as well as most people on this forum that Lou Dibella said there's no way Martinez is getting in the ring with Golovkin when Golovkin wanted to fight him. I understand that there were more lucrative fights out there for Martinez and he was in his late 30s but the fact is he avoided fighting Golovkin.

Lou Dibella quote.

Who would give a flying ****, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."

Dibella quote #2
"Sergio will be out for at least a year. You saw his last fight, he won it on guts and will and balls alone. He had no knee, he had no hand, and I'm not sending a champion who is 38-years-old - after a year plus layoff - into a ring with this guy. I'm not saying they will never fight. I'm not speaking for Sergio, who is a grown as man and controls his own career. The successor to Sergio Martiknez has already been determined and the next great middleweight is Triple G."

It's understandable why Martinez never fought Golovkin but he plainly didn't want to not the other way around.

Exactly.

That guy is a good poster but clearly he is a fanboy of Martínez

[RA-Box]

Chávez JR barely won the fight against Zbick , and a year after he fought Martínez.

Man, you can't talk with me about mexican boxing.

Chávez jR never had a prime, Martínez was lucky yo fight with a popular bum only because his name.

JR always was a sh.it, he barely won against Cuello, and Canelo destroyed Cuello easily and stopped him in 6.

Brian Vera deserved the win against JR.

JR looked like sh.it against Rubio

Man, that was not a good win.

And the catchweight was fair, Canelo gained 10 pounds, Jr only cutted 3.

And JR was in his best shape according to him and Don Nacho, he trained very well and a lot of people here in México were saying that Jr would beat Nelo.

Nelo never outboxed GGG in the first fight, Canelo has not an impressive footwork but he has a great defense, better than Martinez, Martínez was akward but always struggled with shots, was dropped a lot of times and took much risk and punishment.

And Canelo has an iron chin, the same shots than GGG landed on Nelo would be too much for Martínez

Come on you know as well as most people on this forum that Lou Dibella said there's no way Martinez is getting in the ring with Golovkin when Golovkin wanted to fight him. I understand that there were more lucrative fights out there for Martinez and he was in his late 30s but the fact is he avoided fighting Golovkin.

Lou Dibella quote.

Who would give a flying ****, and why are you even asking? Who knows Gennady Golovkin other than you, me and a few other people? How many people would he bring to the table? How much money would he generate? ... He is a very good fighter, but it's a fight that economically makes no sense."

Dibella quote #2
"Sergio will be out for at least a year. You saw his last fight, he won it on guts and will and balls alone. He had no knee, he had no hand, and I'm not sending a champion who is 38-years-old - after a year plus layoff - into a ring with this guy. I'm not saying they will never fight. I'm not speaking for Sergio, who is a grown as man and controls his own career. The successor to Sergio Martiknez has already been determined and the next great middleweight is Triple G."

It's understandable why Martinez never fought Golovkin but he plainly didn't want to not the other way around.

Tail end of the career. The thread question was prime for prime. For me that places Martinez at the First Pavlik or Second Pwill fight and places Golovkin at the Lemieux fight.

Martinez wins in that matchup, but hey, my opinion. You're free to have yours, but Martinez not fighting Golovkin at the end of his career is irrelevant to the thread topic.

[satiev1]

Here's how I see it.

Prime Martinez was always able to out-jab ortho fighters. Since that's GGG's only tool for keeping fighters with power off him (Canelo, Lemieux), he wouldn't be able to keep Martinez from landing. Martinez' pace is more consistent than Canelo's so he could fight for all of the round. Martinez would trade and GGG just doesn't move his head enough to avoid those awkward angle counters Martinez can throw.

All of that adds up to fast Martinez start with the jabs, a mid-fight surge with GGG scoring a KD, and then a late fight beatdown from Martinez and a UD a-la Pavlik.

Edit: to be fair this isn't a breakdown of a stoppage, as you asked. The man took Canelo bombs without getting dropped. Respect to GGG in that area. It would be doubtful that Martinez would get a KO outside of a monster PWill bomb.

He struggled with cintron and a ww in williams. Went 12 rds and got a gift against murray.

[RA-Box]

He struggled with cintron and a ww in williams. Went 12 rds and got a gift against murray.

LOL you obviously never watched the Cintron fight.

He did not get a gift against Murray. You can say Murray won, but you can also say Martinez won. It was close fight and once again, obviously not in his prime.

[satiev1]

GGG clearly has issues with movers. Unorthodox movers with power and excellent ring generalship and it spells a bad night for GGG.

In his 3 toughest fights, GGG only managed a flash kd vs Jacobs and Jacobs wasn't ever hurt. Nelo limited GGG to basically a jab.

Marvella would slowly bust up GGG and end him without having much trouble. Terrible match, style wise, for GGG.

No he dosen't. He has problems with elite counter punchers that can fight on the inside like canelo. That's about it. GGG wants you to be on the outside which is how sergio fights and he's technically very poor at it and has terrible defense. GGG is a far more superior boxer in all areas.

[RA-Box]

Can someone using GGG's resume as proof, please tell me how he is better than Pavlik?