I've seen enough. My UPDATED "P4P" Ranking...

[Marchegiano]

Not a bit of it proven wrong. In fact, I'm STILL spot on about your boy Golovkin. Another close sc****. SO why should he be P4P?

P4P is a title not a list. Only reason you think it's a list is because publications like Ring and ESPN told you to.

P4P is exclusive to non-heavyweights. The only reason you believe the accolades of HWs has anything to do with a P4P discussion is because you were told to by ESPN and Ring.


I have no issue with the idea that Canelo is the p4p champion in boxing.

p4p lists, p4p lists that include HWs....y'all should at least be informed there's absolutely no substance to any of it. It's just bull**** based on bull**** and once you work your way back to the real history, which was itself a bit bull**** too, you find it doesn't even reflect the original intent.

These days p4p is a list of names to be overly promoted because a few promotional media outlets told y'all to.

[Combat Talk Radio]

P4P is a title not a list.

Which, if you were paying attention, is exactly why I have it in air quotes in the subject line - to imply an unusual use of the term. I simply didn't think a full-on meme was needed. But here

[Marchegiano]

Which, if you were paying attention, is exactly why I have it in air quotes in the subject line - to imply an unusual use of the term. I simply didn't think a full-on meme was needed. But here

Yes, unusual, yer a ****in' unicorn over here kid.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Yes, unusual, yer a ****in' unicorn over here kid.

Since presumably you know that titles can't be edited once a reply comes in, and presumably you did learn in English all of the different use cases for quotes, what logical reason otherwise can you think of that ONLY "P4P" is in quotes?

Let me help you. It's the same reason I put quotes - single/double - around 'eye test' around here. Because it's not a real thing. It's phony. But it's what everyone keeps saying, so I have to refer it as something.

Same is the case here.

[Marchegiano]

Since presumably you know that titles can't be edited once a reply comes in, and presumably you did learn in English all of the different use cases for quotes, what logical reason otherwise can you think of that ONLY "P4P" is in quotes?

Let me help you. It's the same reason I put quotes - single/double - around 'eye test' around here. Because it's not a real thing. It's phony. But it's what everyone keeps saying, so I have to refer it as something.

Same is the case here.

Let me see if I follow:

You're being "unusual" by using a very popular term along with it's popularized meaning, are you?

Watch me be .... "unusual" now; this is "lit af".

Super "unusual" usage of 'lit' and 'as ****' there right?

Anyway, yes, I recognize your covering your own ass there. I fail to see how it's anything but what I claimed it is. Just a bunch of dumbassery really isn't it son? Run-of-the-mill, popular belief, dumbass dumb ******* nonsense, innit?

Alright, I'll quit it.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Let me see if I follow:

You're being "unusual" by using a very popular term along with it's popularized meaning, are you?

Popular with NSB and Max Kellerman, perhaps. But do you. I'll do me.

[dibzvincent143]

Updated for Q4 2019

1. Carnelo
I'm sorry. This man's resume blows everyone else's out of the water completely. He has a better resume than Spence, Crawford, Loma, Porter and Thurman COMBINED. People are just salty because he beat G.

2. Tyson Fury
When you talk rounds in the books nobody does it better than the Gypsy King. Period. All people can hang their hat on when criticizing him is when he gets dropped or busted - ignoring that otherwise, he's dominating the boxing matches every damn time.

3. "Showtime" Shawn Porter
I know I'll get "heat" for this one, but again, resume speaks for itself. He's only ever lost to undefeated champions, barely lost to them, the best versions OF them. Again, not about eye test, he's a threat and he always brings the fire to everyone he's in there with.

4. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
Manny beating Keef Thurman gets him on the list. He doesn't go any higher because that fight was RAZOR close, he's likely not to rematch it like he's likely not to rematch Horn. He'd need to beat another top guy to possibly go up, depending on where the others land.

5. Errol 'The Truth' Spence
Even in loss, Spence right now has his signature win and he showed a toughness that we've never seen out of him. Also only the second guy to put Shawn down (even though he couldn't keep him there). Quality stuff from the guy.


No, I don't list Loma, because he hasn't beaten a dangerous opponent - and the closest in Linares put him on his ass. Even he doesn't qualify the Rigo fight because he was undersized. Quality fighter, not P4P yet.

No, I don't list Tank, because while he HAS beaten dangerous opponents, he hasn't really been tested by anyone in the upper echelon. Pedraza was the closest and I give him credit for that, nothing else. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Crawford for low blow victories. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Shakur for going the distance with a guy fresh off a 200+ day layoff. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Teofimo when he's only faced gym ****. Nowhere near P4P.

No I don't list Golovkin, because the three times he stepped up in class, he got outboxed; arguably lost close to Jacobs, corner stoppage for Brook ("...when he was getting outboxed by a welterweight?" --- Floyd), lost close to Carnelo.

No I don't list Chocolatito and never have. I accepted others saying it, but after getting starched by Srisaket, I damn sure don't.

No I don't list Thurman, because he really only has two names he beat: Porter and Garcia. That's fine, but you need more than that. And he lost to Manny.


NO I don't list Anthony Joshua YET, because he was made to look average against Grabomir. I'd need to see him in there with someone like Ortiz or Fury to really test whether he's good or not. Quality fighter, not P4P. And that was a good decision seeing he just got starched by Andy Ruiz.

No I don't list Wilder, because despite thinking highly of his knockout presence, when you get soundly outboxed in 11 of 12 rounds EVEN IN ROUNDS YOU GOT A KNOCKDOWN...I simply cannot.

Don't list Andy Ruiz YET. I need to see how he does in the rematch against Joshua. Two decisive wins against Anthony Joshua has to put him in the conversation.

I like your list even many would disagree with it. And you should have made it a top 10 to include other names.

I think i’ll put spence on the 3 spot as he had the official win.. and KD definitely made his case stronger.
then porter next, as he’ll make it difficult for anyone.. including crawford.. and i thinks he beats manny at this point..

Pac should be at number 5 and i’m a huge pac fan..

[Split Decision]

lmao thread is a good read, laughed a few times

[Combat Talk Radio]

I like your list even many would disagree with it. And you should have made it a top 10 to include other names.

I think i’ll put spence on the 3 spot as he had the official win.. and KD definitely made his case stronger.
then porter next, as he’ll make it difficult for anyone.. including crawford.. and i thinks he beats manny at this point..

Pac should be at number 5 and i’m a huge pac fan..

I mentioned above, Top 10 is really hard. 6-10 becomes a pickem because there are so many fighters that might have beaten one solid opponent and nothing since. Example: I don't know if I would put Loma at #6 vs. someone else. I'd have to put a lot more thought into the rest, go back and rewatch a lot of fights that were (according to NSB) 'robberies' to make a determination.

Like it's easy for me to answer "would you put Fighter A in Top 10?" because then I can measure that person in a vacuum vs. compared to others.

I thought about your order. Here's why I couldn't do it.

Errol Spence was WIDELY considered to beat Shawn Porter convincingly and with very little trouble. A lot of that was 'eye test', a lot of that was his excellent trash talk, the Brook fight, etc. I knew he'd have to work, I did NOT expect it to be razor close. Not a guy who allegedly gave Floyd Mayweather fits and a black eye in sparring. So that outcome...it's a win, a quality win. But I'm not confident that in a rematch Shawn doesn't catch Spence with something. I actually didn't have Spence on the list before; that's why he's at 5. I'd need to see him beat another quality opponent.

Meanwhile, Porter was at his absolute best that night and while I was one of the few to rate him as a quality fighter since the Thurman fight, he didn't do enough to convince me to put him any higher than where I already had him. I can't put him lower because he took everyone's P4P #1 'eye test' fighter to the life-or-death limits.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Hopefully people understand now how to rate fighters. Especially Tyson Fury.