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1. Carnelo
I'm sorry. This man's resume blows everyone else's out of the water completely. He has a better resume than Spence, Crawford, Loma, Porter and Thurman COMBINED. People are just salty because he beat G.
2. Tyson Fury
When you talk rounds in the books nobody does it better than the Gypsy King. Period. All people can hang their hat on when criticizing him is when he gets dropped or busted - ignoring that otherwise, he's dominating the boxing matches every damn time.
3. "Showtime" Shawn Porter
I know I'll get "heat" for this one, but again, resume speaks for itself. He's only ever lost to undefeated champions, barely lost to them, the best versions OF them. Again, not about eye test, he's a threat and he always brings the fire to everyone he's in there with.
4. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
Manny beating Keef Thurman gets him on the list. He doesn't go any higher because that fight was RAZOR close, he's likely not to rematch it like he's likely not to rematch Horn. He'd need to beat another top guy to possibly go up, depending on where the others land.
5. Errol 'The Truth' Spence
Even in loss, Spence right now has his signature win and he showed a toughness that we've never seen out of him. Also only the second guy to put Shawn down (even though he couldn't keep him there). Quality stuff from the guy.
No, I don't list Loma, because he hasn't beaten a dangerous opponent - and the closest in Linares put him on his ass. Even he doesn't qualify the Rigo fight because he was undersized. Quality fighter, not P4P yet.
No, I don't list Tank, because while he HAS beaten dangerous opponents, he hasn't really been tested by anyone in the upper echelon. Pedraza was the closest and I give him credit for that, nothing else. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Crawford for low blow victories. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Shakur for going the distance with a guy fresh off a 200+ day layoff. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Teofimo when he's only faced gym ****. Nowhere near P4P.
No I don't list Golovkin, because the three times he stepped up in class, he got outboxed; arguably lost close to Jacobs, corner stoppage for Brook ("...when he was getting outboxed by a welterweight?" --- Floyd), lost close to Carnelo.
No I don't list Chocolatito and never have. I accepted others saying it, but after getting starched by Srisaket, I damn sure don't.
No I don't list Thurman, because he really only has two names he beat: Porter and Garcia. That's fine, but you need more than that. And he lost to Manny.
NO I don't list Anthony Joshua YET, because he was made to look average against Grabomir. I'd need to see him in there with someone like Ortiz or Fury to really test whether he's good or not. Quality fighter, not P4P. And that was a good decision seeing he just got starched by Andy Ruiz.
No I don't list Wilder, because despite thinking highly of his knockout presence, when you get soundly outboxed in 11 of 12 rounds EVEN IN ROUNDS YOU GOT A KNOCKDOWN...I simply cannot.
Don't list Andy Ruiz YET. I need to see how he does in the rematch against Joshua. Two decisive wins against Anthony Joshua has to put him in the conversation.
1. Carnelo
I'm sorry. This man's resume blows everyone else's out of the water completely. He has a better resume than Spence, Crawford, Loma, Porter and Thurman COMBINED. People are just salty because he beat G.
2. Tyson Fury
When you talk rounds in the books nobody does it better than the Gypsy King. Period. All people can hang their hat on when criticizing him is when he gets dropped or busted - ignoring that otherwise, he's dominating the boxing matches every damn time.
3. "Showtime" Shawn Porter
I know I'll get "heat" for this one, but again, resume speaks for itself. He's only ever lost to undefeated champions, barely lost to them, the best versions OF them. Again, not about eye test, he's a threat and he always brings the fire to everyone he's in there with.
4. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
Manny beating Keef Thurman gets him on the list. He doesn't go any higher because that fight was RAZOR close, he's likely not to rematch it like he's likely not to rematch Horn. He'd need to beat another top guy to possibly go up, depending on where the others land.
5. Errol 'The Truth' Spence
Even in loss, Spence right now has his signature win and he showed a toughness that we've never seen out of him. Also only the second guy to put Shawn down (even though he couldn't keep him there). Quality stuff from the guy.
No, I don't list Loma, because he hasn't beaten a dangerous opponent - and the closest in Linares put him on his ass. Even he doesn't qualify the Rigo fight because he was undersized. Quality fighter, not P4P yet.
No, I don't list Tank, because while he HAS beaten dangerous opponents, he hasn't really been tested by anyone in the upper echelon. Pedraza was the closest and I give him credit for that, nothing else. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Crawford for low blow victories. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Shakur for going the distance with a guy fresh off a 200+ day layoff. Quality, not P4P yet.
No I don't list Teofimo when he's only faced gym ****. Nowhere near P4P.
No I don't list Golovkin, because the three times he stepped up in class, he got outboxed; arguably lost close to Jacobs, corner stoppage for Brook ("...when he was getting outboxed by a welterweight?" --- Floyd), lost close to Carnelo.
No I don't list Chocolatito and never have. I accepted others saying it, but after getting starched by Srisaket, I damn sure don't.
No I don't list Thurman, because he really only has two names he beat: Porter and Garcia. That's fine, but you need more than that. And he lost to Manny.
NO I don't list Anthony Joshua YET, because he was made to look average against Grabomir. I'd need to see him in there with someone like Ortiz or Fury to really test whether he's good or not. Quality fighter, not P4P. And that was a good decision seeing he just got starched by Andy Ruiz.
No I don't list Wilder, because despite thinking highly of his knockout presence, when you get soundly outboxed in 11 of 12 rounds EVEN IN ROUNDS YOU GOT A KNOCKDOWN...I simply cannot.
Don't list Andy Ruiz YET. I need to see how he does in the rematch against Joshua. Two decisive wins against Anthony Joshua has to put him in the conversation.
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