I've seen enough. My UPDATED "P4P" Ranking...

[BoxingIsGreat]

Makes no sense when you have a loser higher than the guy that beat him fair and square in a unification bout, and Horn is a bum by world standards, Im Aussie so no hate here, he is just not an A grade fighter no way no how.

I thought Horn beat Pac legitimately. I don't like when fighters complain and cry about another fighter being dirty. It's a fight, deal with it. That's what many say about Horn-Pac. Horn fought dirty and won. Kudos!

I've known revelated on here for many years. We are cool, and I usually don't like disagreeing with him. He's definitely a knowledgeable boxing fan but, sometimes, it's over top with Horn, Khan, and these P4P lists. P4P is fake.

[Nash out]

Updated for Q4 2019

1. Carnelo
I'm sorry. This man's resume blows everyone else's out of the water completely. He has a better resume than Spence, Crawford, Loma, Porter and Thurman COMBINED. People are just salty because he beat G.

2. Tyson Fury
When you talk rounds in the books nobody does it better than the Gypsy King. Period. All people can hang their hat on when criticizing him is when he gets dropped or busted - ignoring that otherwise, he's dominating the boxing matches every damn time.

3. "Showtime" Shawn Porter
I know I'll get "heat" for this one, but again, resume speaks for itself. He's only ever lost to undefeated champions, barely lost to them, the best versions OF them. Again, not about eye test, he's a threat and he always brings the fire to everyone he's in there with.

4. Manny 'Pacman' Pacquiao
Manny beating Keef Thurman gets him on the list. He doesn't go any higher because that fight was RAZOR close, he's likely not to rematch it like he's likely not to rematch Horn. He'd need to beat another top guy to possibly go up, depending on where the others land.

5. Errol 'The Truth' Spence
Even in loss, Spence right now has his signature win and he showed a toughness that we've never seen out of him. Also only the second guy to put Shawn down (even though he couldn't keep him there). Quality stuff from the guy.


No, I don't list Loma, because he hasn't beaten a dangerous opponent - and the closest in Linares put him on his ass. Even he doesn't qualify the Rigo fight because he was undersized. Quality fighter, not P4P yet.

No, I don't list Tank, because while he HAS beaten dangerous opponents, he hasn't really been tested by anyone in the upper echelon. Pedraza was the closest and I give him credit for that, nothing else. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Crawford for low blow victories. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Shakur for going the distance with a guy fresh off a 200+ day layoff. Quality, not P4P yet.

No I don't list Teofimo when he's only faced gym ****. Nowhere near P4P.

No I don't list Golovkin, because the three times he stepped up in class, he got outboxed; arguably lost close to Jacobs, corner stoppage for Brook ("...when he was getting outboxed by a welterweight?" --- Floyd), lost close to Carnelo.

No I don't list Chocolatito and never have. I accepted others saying it, but after getting starched by Srisaket, I damn sure don't.

No I don't list Thurman, because he really only has two names he beat: Porter and Garcia. That's fine, but you need more than that. And he lost to Manny.


NO I don't list Anthony Joshua YET, because he was made to look average against Grabomir. I'd need to see him in there with someone like Ortiz or Fury to really test whether he's good or not. Quality fighter, not P4P. And that was a good decision seeing he just got starched by Andy Ruiz.

No I don't list Wilder, because despite thinking highly of his knockout presence, when you get soundly outboxed in 11 of 12 rounds EVEN IN ROUNDS YOU GOT A KNOCKDOWN...I simply cannot.

Don't list Andy Ruiz YET. I need to see how he does in the rematch against Joshua. Two decisive wins against Anthony Joshua has to put him in the conversation.

Decent list really. Out of your listed 5. I have Tyson Fury p4p #1, Canelo top 3-5, Spence top 10, Pac top 15 and Porter top 20. Why so many underrate Fury P4P wise I don't know, same goes for Wilder. Some bias against the modern HW division I think.

[Combat Talk Radio]

where's Jeff Horn?

Jeff got knocked off by Zerafa. You know, that guy that beat Horn WITHOUT asterisks and without excuses about dirty fighting.

Makes no sense when you have a loser higher than the guy that beat him fair and square in a unification bout

It makes perfect sense if you paid attention to the last version OF the list. I didn't rate Spence in the Top 5 before he beat Porter because he was - and frankly to a degree is - an 'eye test' fighter. I don't rate 'eye test' fighters. I rate guys with signature wins.

Porter damn near beat the best version of Kell Brook. Fact.

Porter is one of only two guys - both in the upper tier - to beat Danny Garcia. Fact.

Porter is a (now former) two-time champion. Fact.

NOBODY has dominated Shawn Porter. Fact.

EVERY fight Porter's been in, there's disputes about whether he really lost. Fact.

And your boy just took everyone's P4P guy in Errol Spence to deep waters and damn near beat him. Fact.

So yes, I have him up there because of the above facts. I can't put Spence above Porter when Spence wasn't on the list in the first place. He had to get a good, non-asterisk win, and Porter was it. Now, he needs to get another one: Danny, Manny, Thurman. He beats one of those guys clear and no asterisk, he goes up. He doesn't, someone else leapfrogs him.

Yes, sir. She's better at this point. Put your gender bias aside.

This isn't about gender.

You are seriously saying, with a straight face, that Katie Taylor is better than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who made Margacheato look like ground beef.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who made Ricky Hatton eat his words and fall to the ground like a stiff.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who retired Oscar De La Hoya.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who just beat Keef Thurman.


You're saying this guy is not in Katie Taylor's class?

[LoadedWraps]

I wouldn't have TaintedBeefNelo higher than GGG, but otherwise, good list.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Jeff got knocked off by Zerafa. You know, that guy that beat Horn WITHOUT asterisks and without excuses about dirty fighting.



It makes perfect sense if you paid attention to the last version OF the list. I didn't rate Spence in the Top 5 before he beat Porter because he was - and frankly to a degree is - an 'eye test' fighter. I don't rate 'eye test' fighters. I rate guys with signature wins.

Porter damn near beat the best version of Kell Brook. Fact.

Porter is one of only two guys - both in the upper tier - to beat Danny Garcia. Fact.

Porter is a (now former) two-time champion. Fact.

NOBODY has dominated Shawn Porter. Fact.

EVERY fight Porter's been in, there's disputes about whether he really lost. Fact.

And your boy just took everyone's P4P guy in Errol Spence to deep waters and damn near beat him. Fact.

So yes, I have him up there because of the above facts. I can't put Spence above Porter when Spence wasn't on the list in the first place. He had to get a good, non-asterisk win, and Porter was it. Now, he needs to get another one: Danny, Manny, Thurman. He beats one of those guys clear and no asterisk, he goes up. He doesn't, someone else leapfrogs him.



This isn't about gender.

You are seriously saying, with a straight face, that Katie Taylor is better than Manny Pacquiao.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who made Margacheato look like ground beef.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who made Ricky Hatton eat his words and fall to the ground like a stiff.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who retired Oscar De La Hoya.

Manny Pacquiao - the guy who just beat Keef Thurman.


You're saying this guy is not in Katie Taylor's class?

Bro, I counted the Pacman in the last era, with Marquez, Morales, and Floyd. I'm not gonna count him again. Now, he's just pushing his luck.

Katie is a special fighter. Give her a chance and actually watch.

And, yeah, I know you are a heavyweight division kinda guy. I don't even watch heavyweights. I could care less.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Bro, I counted the Pacman in the last era, with Marguez, Morales, and Floyd. I'm not gonna count him again. Now, he's just pushing his luck.

Katie is a special fighter. Give her a chance and actually watch.

And, yeah, I know you are a heavyweight division kinda guy. I don't even watch heavyweights. I could care less.

Wait a minute! Manny Pacquiao deserves NO current credit because you gave him previous credit, despite the fact he's fighting in the current era AND beat Keef Thurman who was considered the #1 guy at welter for years?

And where do you get I'm a heavyweight guy? I watch all weight divisions except cruiser. I said it before, I have one measure: you show up and you prove to me you're better than the guy across from you. I don't care how much you weigh when you do it and I don't care what is - or isn't - hanging between your legs.

I'm not dismissing Katie Taylor as a fighter but dude, there's levels. The only female boxer I could EVER put above Manny Pacquiao is Anne Wolfe.

[BoxingIsGreat]

Wait a minute! Manny Pacquiao deserves NO current credit because you gave him previous credit, despite the fact he's fighting in the current era AND beat Keef Thurman who was considered the #1 guy at welter for years?

And where do you get I'm a heavyweight guy? I watch all weight divisions except cruiser. I said it before, I have one measure: you show up and you prove to me you're better than the guy across from you. I don't care how much you weigh when you do it and I don't care what is - or isn't - hanging between your legs.

I'm not dismissing Katie Taylor as a fighter but dude, there's levels. The only female boxer I could EVER put above Manny Pacquiao is Anne Wolfe.

I disagree here again. Cheers my friend.

[Sable&Whitefish]

You're right. He should be higher now. Because he's still unbeaten and still dominating guys he's in there with.



As we have now arrived in the future that my list told you about, and now that I've updated it based on recent happenings, are you now clear as to why Porter is nowhere close to the "worst of the WW titleholders"? Are you?

Yes, absolutely. He's definitely not the worst of the WW titleholders anymore. Now he doesn't even have a title.

[Marchegiano]

Just a bunch of dumbassery here.

[Combat Talk Radio]

Just a bunch of dumbassery here.

Not a bit of it proven wrong. In fact, I'm STILL spot on about your boy Golovkin. Another close sc****. SO why should he be P4P?