Comments Thread For: Daily Bread Mailbag: Lomachenko, Munguia-Hogan, Shields

[BoxingIsGreat]

When Loma was intending to sign with a promoter in 2013 he went on tour in US and met with Golden Boy, Main Events and Top Rank. His condition for signing was to give him title shot in the 1st fight. Only Top Rank was capable of giving him title shot, but in 2nd fight. Loma was able to make such demands because of his stellar amateur career.
That’s the connection for you between amateurs and pro.

So Top Rank was the only one who could bribe and corrupt the 'officials' and that makes it okay?

[HarvardBlue]

That’s exactly the problem, Loma wants to build his legacy, to be in history. You don’t build your legacy by fighting nobodies. If Lopez does something in the sport - win a title, then he’ll get Loma shot.

You also don't or let "nobodies" get so much media coverage talking about your legacy.

[aboutfkntime]

Ridiculous. I will be the 1st to say that there is racism in boxing. But you can’t put a color on this kid. He’s one of the few lower fighters who goes after black fighters. He’s fought Gary Russell, Nicholas Walters and Guillermo Rigondeaux. Going after Russell at 1-1 is the ballsiest move I’ve ever seen. Loma’s run is excellent and in his 14 fights his resume is better than 95% of the field. Usyk and Canelo are the only fighters who can challenge him there in my opinion.

I’ve seen fighters who can’t hold a candle to Loma criticize him. How you criticize a 2x gold medalist when you couldn’t make the Olympic team. Forget about medaling but you weren’t good enough to win the trials. How can you criticize Loma when he’s 12-1 in title fights throughout 3 divisions? The average champion only has about 4 title fights.

It makes my teeth itch when I hear he only has 14 fights. Or what about his loss to Salido. Salido is a DOG! Salido beat Francisco Vargas and Rocky Martinez in my opinion. If he gets those wins he has a HOF case. Don’t get it twisted. Salido also came in like 3lbs over and Loma still almost stopped him. I’ve seen the decision that went against Loma go for the A side fighter several times. It was a close fight.

Loma overcame, got better and went on a historic run. People criticize Loma, especially fighters but he’s better than most of them by far. Only a few fighters can hold a candle to Loma.

Terence Crawford is Loma’s challenge to supremacy. Flip a coin between those two. Usyk is terrific but Loma has more championship fights and although Usyk cleared out cruiserweight, I think Loma’s 5 best wins are better than his. Inoue is a true monster and if he wins the bantam tourney then he’s in the argument. He will have passed the accomplishment and eye ball test. Canelo has the best resume and he has great accomplishments. But Canelo has 2 positive PED test in his prime. And Canelo has too many controversial wins on his resume in my opinion. I respect Canelo a great deal but those two things put him behind Loma for me. Spence is coming along but Spence just doesn’t have the resume yet. He’s not an active fighter and he got off to a later start than everyone else. As far as how long it took him to get his 1st shot. If Spence would get 3 fights in a year just once, and fight the 3 best available fighters and beat all 3 he would go up. It’s just that simple. The media already loves him. But he never gets to showcase himself like that. After his Brook ko, he was off for over 6 months. This year started out great for Spence, hopefully he gets a big name in the summer, but if my intuition is correct it won’t be in the summer, it will be in the fall and that will still put him at 2 fights this year. Spence has some catching up to do before he can go the 2 fights/year route.

Loma is as talented a fighter as I’ve seen with the skill and application to match. He’s not Zab Judah or Amir Khan where you can see the talent but other things are missing. This guy has Pernell Whitaker, Floyd Mayweather, Ray Leonard, Manny Pacquiao and Roy Jones level gifts and application. Loma is tougher than he gets credit for. He’s a better puncher than he gets credit for. His footwork and IQ are impeccable. I've seen lots of special fighters and this dude is on the level.

The only objective criticisms that Loma should get are these. He didn’t unify at 130. If 130lbs is his best weight, which we all agree on, then he left food on the table. Miguel Berchelt is there. Loma should have fought him. Tank Davis is there. I don’t know if the fight can get made but don’t leave the division without trying to make it.

The second criticism is Loma hasn’t fought an elite pressure fighter since the Salido lost. I think he would have cooked Salido in a rematch but it was never made. You can’t get credit for it unless you do it. Fight Berchelt.

The last and only other criticism Loma can get is his excuse for not fighting Teofimo Lopez. Loma got 2 back to back title shots in his 2nd and 3rd fights. He was coming off of a loss when he got his 2nd one. I know Salido lost the titles on the scales but nevertheless Loma got those title shots.

If Loma can get 2 title shots that early, which by the way I think he was qualified for. Maybe not deserve but he was qualified for. He showed that with his performances. Then Lopez is qualified to fight Loma. It’s not up to Loma to decide of Lopez is ready or not. If Lopez is too young and green then he should get in there and destroy the kid. I know a few people that think Lopez’s speed, athleticism and physicality beats Loma. As highly as I think of Loma I think it’s a 55/45 fight in favor of Loma. I think Lopez is right with him I don’t care how young he is. Loma needs to fight that kid and not play match maker. Fair is fair. If Lopez wants the WORK give him the WORK. If he gets ruined that’s on him it’s boxing.

that is gold !!

bread-haters..... go play in traffic

great breadbag this week

good take on Munguia and on Canelo/Jacobs

casuals..... stfu, read and learn

[steven_z]

Wow! Have you just seen the 1st round knockout by Edgar Berlanga on the Khan-Crawford undercard?
The guy is SPECTACULAR! Get him Lomachenko fight! NOW!

[Lomasexual]

if you read what bread said, it's because it's hypocritical of Loma to say that about lopez when Loma got 2 back to back title shots after accomplishing literally nothing as a pro. So why was it OK for him to demand title shots without any significant pro accomplishments but it's wrong for lopez to say he wants to fight Loma?

It's not wrong for Lopez to want the fight. It's wrong for anyone to think he is entitled to it. Or to compare Loma's entry to the pro ranks.

Loma found a promoter who was willing to swing whatever needed to be swung, and to throw money around, to get him a title fight on the basis of his amateur career.

This required someone with a title who just cared about the money. Someone who didn't give a damn about who they fought, they just wanted a fat paycheck. Enter Salido. Note - Loma wasn't picking who he fought.

Now we have Lopez. He did next to nothing as an amateur. There are hundreds who achieved more than him. Compared to the best amateur of all time. He's done nothing - yet - as a pro.

He has a promoter (the same on in fact) who might be willing to throw money around, but won't achieve anything from that.

Because Loma isn't like Salido. Loma isn't just there for a paycheck, and he actually cares about who he fights.

Loma's situation required the single best amateur fighter in history to be matched with a titlest who just want a paycheck. Any titlest would do, he didn't get to pick and choose which one either. It was an extraordinary thing that happened.

Lopez's situation is a prospect who has achieved nothing at all, wanting to be matched against a specific fighter, one who is also the best P4P fighter in the world - one who is notorious for wanting to fight the best.

The situations are not the same. Not remotely.

I can't think of too many times throughout the history of boxing, when a fighter who has achieved absolutely nothing could call out the best fighter in the world - and have anyone take any notice at all.

Let's see... someone with 12 pro fights - none of which are against anyone ranked anywhere - calling out RJJ? Nope. No one would have paid any attention. Calling out Floyd? Nope. Calling out Pac? Nope.
They would get laughed at. People would know that they were just using someone else's name to build some recognition for themselves.

But for some reason, people are running with this. Despite logic, despite reason.

So let's just call it what it is - racism. Racists don't have to make sense. They don't need logic. They don't care at all.

[Jab jab boom]

It's not wrong for Lopez to want the fight. It's wrong for anyone to think he is entitled to it. Or to compare Loma's entry to the pro ranks.

Loma found a promoter who was willing to swing whatever needed to be swung, and to throw money around, to get him a title fight on the basis of his amateur career.

This required someone with a title who just cared about the money. Someone who didn't give a damn about who they fought, they just wanted a fat paycheck. Enter Salido. Note - Loma wasn't picking who he fought.

Now we have Lopez. He did next to nothing as an amateur. There are hundreds who achieved more than him. Compared to the best amateur of all time. He's done nothing - yet - as a pro.

He has a promoter (the same on in fact) who might be willing to throw money around, but won't achieve anything from that.

Because Loma isn't like Salido. Loma isn't just there for a paycheck, and he actually cares about who he fights.

Loma's situation required the single best amateur fighter in history to be matched with a titlest who just want a paycheck. Any titlest would do, he didn't get to pick and choose which one either. It was an extraordinary thing that happened.

Lopez's situation is a prospect who has achieved nothing at all, wanting to be matched against a specific fighter, one who is also the best P4P fighter in the world - one who is notorious for wanting to fight the best.

The situations are not the same. Not remotely.

I can't think of too many times throughout the history of boxing, when a fighter who has achieved absolutely nothing could call out the best fighter in the world - and have anyone take any notice at all.

Let's see... someone with 12 pro fights - none of which are against anyone ranked anywhere - calling out RJJ? Nope. No one would have paid any attention. Calling out Floyd? Nope. Calling out Pac? Nope.
They would get laughed at. People would know that they were just using someone else's name to build some recognition for themselves.

But for some reason, people are running with this. Despite logic, despite reason.

So let's just call it what it is - racism. Racists don't have to make sense. They don't need logic. They don't care at all.

you're comparing thebtstaus of Loma to a prime mayweather, pac and Roy Jones? Nah, and how many better options does Loma realistically have available to him than Lopez right now? What fights are out there for him that would generate more interest. Remember I said, realistically avaibale to him.

[Lomasexual]

you're comparing thebtstaus of Loma to a prime mayweather, pac and Roy Jones?

Take any #1 P4P fighter you want in the last 50 years then.

How often do you think that a 12 fight prospect with zero notable achievement could call them out without being laughed at?

Right. Never.

Nah, and how many better options does Loma realistically have available to him than Lopez right now? What fights are out there for him that would generate more interest. Remember I said, realistically avaibale to him.

What is this 'generate interest' you are suddenly talking about, and why should Loma give a damn about it?

Loma wants to be undisputed, he wants to fight the best. He wants belts. He wants to achieve greatness.

If he just wanted to cash in on 'generating interest' then he'd be doing his best to line up Conor McGregor.

He's after something bigger and better than that. He's after a legacy. Boxing fans respect that.

Racists don't.

[Jab jab boom]

Take any #1 P4P fighter you want in the last 50 years then.

How often do you think that a 12 fight prospect with zero notable achievement could call them out without being laughed at?

Right. Never.



What is this 'generate interest' you are suddenly talking about, and why should Loma give a damn about it?

Loma wants to be undisputed, he wants to fight the best. He wants belts. He wants to achieve greatness.

If he just wanted to cash in on 'generating interest' then he'd be doing his best to line up Conor McGregor.

He's after something bigger and better than that. He's after a legacy. Boxing fans respect that.

Racists don't.

you're equating p4p status with drawing power. Floyd and pac were ppv mega superstars so they could make comments such as saying people need to earn the fight /pay day. Loma is not a ppv star. Roy Jones fought lesser fighters than what Lopez is now at the peak of his stardom. He was fighting police officers for God's sake. Loma Has already fought guys that were lesser regarded than what lopez is now such as Sosa and crolla, and marriaga etc. You're just making excuses as to why he should avoid the fight because the reality is, there isn't a bigger threat nor a fight that'd generate more interest thats available to him at 135 right now than Lopez. Stop with the racist excuses also. It's lame. Real boxing fans want to see top fights get made.. Not Loma Fighting weak mandatories or lesser fighters just because they happen to hold one of these watered down belts. Facing and beating top competition exceeds anything when it comes to a fighters boxing legacy , even titles.

[Lomasexual]

you're equating p4p status with drawing power.

No I'm not.

I meant exactly what I said.

Re-read it, and tell me when a 12 fight prospect who has achieved nothing could call out the P4P #1 and not get laughed at.

I don't mean drawing power. I mean exactly what I said.

The answer is 'never'.

the fight because the reality is, there isn't a bigger threat nor a fight that'd generate more interest thats available to him at 135 right now than Lopez. Stop with the racist excuses also. It's lame. Real boxing fans want to see top fights get made.. Not Loma Fighting weak mandatories or lesser fighters just because they happen to hold one of these watered down belts. Facing and beating top competition exceeds anything when it comes to a fighters boxing legacy , even titles.

Here is where Lopez fans and Loma haters destroy their credibility forever.

Excuses? Listen to yourself.

Read the first thing I wrote in this post - the bit about a 12 fight prospect who has achieved nothing... they get laughed at. That's not excuse territory - that's just what genuine boxing fans do.

Watered down belts? How many times do I need to explain this to non-boxing fans... quit pretending that Loma is going after a single belt. He is after total unification, becoming undisupted.
You can mock the value of a single belt if you want, but that's ****** and dishonest, because Loma is not just after a single belt. You can't mock the value of being undisputed and unified champ, because that's a great achievement.

Excuses? How about giving a single reason why Loma would want the fight? Can't? That's because there isn't one. Not one single thing which Lopez offers that Loma wants. He hasn't even proven that he would put up a decent fight.

Go on, I'll wait.

1) List one single thing that Lopez brings that Loma wants.

2) List a single time in the last 50 years that a 12 fight prospect with no achievements could call out the P4P #1 without being laughed at.

Meanwhile, actual boxing fans will wait to see if Lopez can get a belt and make the fight. Once he has something that Loma wants, Loma fans will be the ones demanding the fight louder than Lopez fans are.

[Jab jab boom]

No I'm not.

I meant exactly what I said.

Re-read it, and tell me when a 12 fight prospect who has achieved nothing could call out the P4P #1 and not get laughed at.

I don't mean drawing power. I mean exactly what I said.

The answer is 'never'.



Here is where Lopez fans and Loma haters destroy their credibility forever.

Excuses? Listen to yourself.

Read the first thing I wrote in this post - the bit about a 12 fight prospect who has achieved nothing... they get laughed at. That's not excuse territory - that's just what genuine boxing fans do.

Watered down belts? How many times do I need to explain this to non-boxing fans... quit pretending that Loma is going after a single belt. He is after total unification, becoming undisupted.
You can mock the value of a single belt if you want, but that's ****** and dishonest, because Loma is not just after a single belt. You can't mock the value of being undisputed and unified champ, because that's a great achievement.

Excuses? How about giving a single reason why Loma would want the fight? Can't? That's because there isn't one. Not one single thing which Lopez offers that Loma wants. He hasn't even proven that he would put up a decent fight.

Go on, I'll wait.

1) List one single thing that Lopez brings that Loma wants.

2) List a single time in the last 50 years that a 12 fight prospect with no achievements could call out the P4P #1 without being laughed at.

Meanwhile, actual boxing fans will wait to see if Lopez can get a belt and make the fight. Once he has something that Loma wants, Loma fans will be the ones demanding the fight louder than Lopez fans are.

Leon Spinks fought Muhammed Ali when he was 7-0-1. Right after beating Camacho, Chavez at 82-0 and p4p #1 fought a guy who was 10-10. Roy Jones fought a guy who was 16-0 when he was p4p #1. When Whitaker was considered to be among the top Of the p4p list he fought a guy who was 7-4. Lastly, Floyd mayweather fought a guy with 0 pro fights in his final fight. Now keep telling me how nobody like lopez has ever fought someone like Loma when it comes to status, number of fights and p4p ranking. Any more weak excuses?? Oh, and as far as what lopez brings to the table that Loma should want? How about an actual credible opponent who fans would be excited for him to fight... One that isnt considered to be of a low skill level (like corolla, Martinez ) , Old/small (Rigo) , or inactive (Walters, Rigo). If I were to classify all of loma's opponents under the above... Only about 3 of his 14 opponents wouldn't fit 1 of those categories.