Comments Thread For: CBS "Final Four" Segment, With Wilder, Averages 13.77M Viewers

[bballchump11]

Great Comment....mayweather (mediocre skills with carefully selected opponents, lost twice, Once to Oscar and Once to Castillo) was a marketing ploy that worked out beautifully , PBC has tried to duplicate the same scheme but people are already hip to this scheme....the Boxing fans wanna see quality fights but PBC keeps on putting these mismatches and with the We Be Corrupt facilitating these mismatches Us fans are left to pick and I have picked DAZN.....ESPN also because I like the way Lomachenko fights and I believe Loma is the best fighter in the game

I hope this is sarcasm.

[Squ□redCircle34]

Deciding to stay a free agent and cashing in on big PPV with AJ looks better after every bit of face time he gets on that level.Now he just has to make sure he don't sleep on Breazeale because he is better then most give him credit.He is big has decent skills and a REAL big heart.

I knew Wilder when he turned that deal down was all about
Leveraging himself for
More and betting on himself, high risk gamble(have to be bàlls crazy or full of supreme confidence !

Only people who still is stuck on monopoly games didn’t understand!

I’m sure Wilder is super focused as he has a lot at stake! But this is heavyweight boxing and it takes just one punch from these giants! So yeah you’re right!

[Boxing_1013]

I have no idea what you all are going at it about but just caught last line.You don't really think Ward was ducking Anthony Dirrell do you?1st he never did vacate he just quit fighting and was in court 2nd he is friends with the Dirrell obv going to Olympics with his brother.Not trying to get involved but Dirrell don't beat him once outta 10 he has NO style advantage in any way and don't have one hitter quitter.

Dirrell became the mandatory after Froch and Ward did indeed vacate that belt. He fought Dawson in September of that year, and that article is from April. Also I would say that if you are actual brothers with a guy, no one wants to see that fight. But if you are in the same weight class and no blood relation, no excuse to not fight each other.

My point with that guy is that he is someone who kills GGG for the Dervychenko/Canelo situation last year, saying he ducked Dervy. But I've never heard his comment on Ward when Ward basically just said 'I don't want to fight that guy/makes no money' and then dropped the belt. That could be a valid excuse but if you are going to kill a guy for taking a short-notice stand-in to save the date of a fight, with a huge payday coming next, then if you are really keeping it real you should crucify what Ward did even worse.

I personally have never been a fan of Ward and do not rate him very highly. I also don't think anyone would get a decision over him in Oakland, and I think some of the cards there were quite a bit wider than what they were actually were, and Oakland is where he fought almost all of his fights. So I don't necessarily see why he would have ducked Dirrell.

And honestly I don't really have an opinion on whether he 'ducked' Dirrell but I know if GGG did this with someone like Pirog early in his career, people would kill him for it, and I think rightfully so. I was just giving Time an opportunity to show how real he keeps it since he was just claiming to be the objective boxing analyst out of the two of us.

[TexasCowBoy]

I hope this is sarcasm.

You can hope all you want

[john l]

Dirrell became the mandatory after Froch and Ward did indeed vacate that belt. He fought Dawson in September of that year, and that article is from April. Also I would say that if you are actual brothers with a guy, no one wants to see that fight. But if you are in the same weight class and no blood relation, no excuse to not fight each other.

My point with that guy is that he is someone who kills GGG for the Dervychenko/Canelo situation last year, saying he ducked Dervy. But I've never heard his comment on Ward when Ward basically just said 'I don't want to fight that guy/makes no money' and then dropped the belt. That could be a valid excuse but if you are going to kill a guy for taking a short-notice stand-in to save the date of a fight, with a huge payday coming next, then if you are really keeping it real you should crucify what Ward did even worse.

I personally have never been a fan of Ward and do not rate him very highly. I also don't think anyone would get a decision over him in Oakland, and I think some of the cards there were quite a bit wider than what they were actually were, and Oakland is where he fought almost all of his fights. So I don't necessarily see why he would have ducked Dirrell.

And honestly I don't really have an opinion on whether he 'ducked' Dirrell but I know if GGG did this with someone like Pirog early in his career, people would kill him for it, and I think rightfully so. I was just giving Time an opportunity to show how real he keeps it since he was just claiming to be the objective boxing analyst out of the two of us.

Well we will just have to agree to disagree on Ward because he was a very good fighter who cleaned out the top guys at 68 imo(Froch,Kessler,ect).But you cant possible blame him for fighting a MUCH tougher opponent then Dirrell in Dawson who was the REAL champ at 75 and was on PFP lists at time.Dont remember Ward dropping his titles until he had his "mini"retirement but if he did to fight Dawson he did right thing for ANY fan of boxing and sport it self.Dawson had a quick fall from grace like Nunn but at best was a he ll of a fighter and for longer then Nunn just for example or Curry who may have a had a slightly higher peak.

[Boxing_1013]

Well we will just have to agree to disagree on Ward because he was a very good fighter who cleaned out the top guys at 68 imo(Froch,Kessler,ect).But you cant possible blame him for fighting a MUCH tougher opponent then Dirrell in Dawson who was the REAL champ at 75 and was on PFP lists at time.Dont remember Ward dropping his titles until he had his "mini"retirement but if he did to fight Dawson he did right thing for ANY fan of boxing and sport it self.Dawson had a quick fall from grace like Nunn but at best was a he ll of a fighter and for longer then Nunn just for example or Curry who may have a had a slightly higher peak.

I like your posts usually John so we will just agree to disagree on Ward lol.

But yeah my point to that other guy was that if you are going to kill fighter X for doing this, but you avoid comment when fighter Y does it, well to me that exposes someone as a biased person and they don't really keep it real about fighters imo.

It's cool to be a biased fanboy, but if you are doing that while trying to act neutral, well I mean I won't take anything you say seriously (that is obviously intended for the other guy, not you lol).

[bballchump11]

You can hope all you want

I wanted to give you benefit of the doubt because it was one of the worst posts I've ever read.

[champion4ever]

These numbers only serve to make the Wilder/Joshua fight even bigger; Especially if it's on Pay Per View in the U.S. With those numbers they both could secure at least $50mil each with an upside of the percentage of the Pay Per view sales.

Moreover, if the fight continues to marinate then they could both earn anywhere in the neighborhood of at least $100mil or more. We might as well face it; Deontay Wilder has slowly but surely brought the sport of boxing back to the mainstream in America.

He's both exciting and charismatic with a crowd pleasing style.

[MC Hammer]

Right, and Pac did numbers with people not named Floyd. But Floyd made Manny into a star/rival, just as Tyson enhanced the careers of the guys he fought/was rumored to fight - Lewis Douglas Holyfield.

It is fair to say that Spence or Wilder can get that same type of bump in popularity that Pac and the Tyson foes received. I just don't think it is the same situation for them these days and I can't personally see any scenario where either guy becomes a big PPV guy. There are really only two guys like that (excluding Manny), Canelo and Joshua, and I don't see Spence and Wilder coming close to that.

It wasn't a slight on black boxers when I said the only black star was Floyd - he is just the only modern star. I know Hearns and Hagler and SRL were stars and made money. But just as the model for them was different back then, and then morphed into the PPV model for Floyd, I think the game is still changing.

And with all the pirating/illegal streaming I just don't think these guys will make it big banking on high priced PPVs, when I don't think they are close to being PPV guys right now.

Imo the streaming services are a smart move for these guys especially if they are going to pay the money like DAZN was offering to Wilder.

We can argue all day about semantics but my main point and only point really is that while this is good exposure for Wilder, I think he may end up costing himself a lot of money if he thinks he will soon be a PPV guy. I am not really a fan of his but these guys work too hard and too dangerously to pass up on a payday when it is there.

As their profiles grow I believe that both Spence and Wilder become marquee PPV guys because they have a whole demographic behind them. AJ could only be a star at home because he doesn't appeal to his own people in the states and the UK doesn't have much in terms of sports.

As far as the streaming services go I think that will be the end of the sport. For one they make another barrier to boxing when the base needs to be growing. In marketing you go to where the people are, but ESPN+ and DAZN try to force the people to come to them. And many will certainly not do that.

Also, the fighters aren't incentived to go to them. It actually works against their interests. PPV has been the greatest vehicle of wealth for fighters in the recent eras. If streaming services kill that then what incentive do they have to keep paying major purses? Those are gonna dry up and the fighters will have no options but to accept the peanuts thrown to them.

It's like union busting in the US. They destroyed Unions by bribing a member into suing to make dues non-mandatory. Once they didn't have to pay, that individual who sued got millions, the union members got paid a little more for a short period of time. Then wages stagnated for 30 years. Unions were the vehicle that workers used to get greater pay and conditions. Once that was destroyed there was no longer an incentive for businesses to raise wages.

[john l]

I like your posts usually John so we will just agree to disagree on Ward lol.

But yeah my point to that other guy was that if you are going to kill fighter X for doing this, but you avoid comment when fighter Y does it, well to me that exposes someone as a biased person and they don't really keep it real about fighters imo.

It's cool to be a biased fanboy, but if you are doing that while trying to act neutral, well I mean I won't take anything you say seriously (that is obviously intended for the other guy, not you lol).

Yea I completely agree some guys on here are soooooo bad about being fanboys.Im always defending Wilder on a lot of things because AJ just has some over the top fans.The funny thing is,is that I really like AJ I mean whats not to like???He is a huge puncher(not quite Wilder power)who has shown a pretty big heart at least and has a much more complete arsenal then Wilder.Also he has fought good opponents ect,ect same way with the BIG Ward v Kov fight it seemed NO ONE liked both,Well I did.I thought Ward was better and im sure we prob disagree there and that's fine,But Kov was a very good tech puncher one of the odd puncher's who is REALLY hard to beat boxing outside(Hearns).Anyways nice talking boxing with ya and got a feeling we will agree on other things.