Comments Thread For: CBS "Final Four" Segment, With Wilder, Averages 13.77M Viewers

[MC Hammer]

You're arguing about inane things, seemingly incapable of admitting something as obvious as the sky being blue. Instead you double down and try to twist things around. I could say the sky is blue and you would say - well it isn't really blue, there are white things up there, and something yellow is up there too.

Man I really have 0 interest in talking about anything with you.
I just don't think you're a smart guy at all. I shouldn't have to explain some of these things to you, and when I do, you still don't seem to understand. I can explain it to you, but I can't understand it for you.

China is much more open than North Korea, hence why people would flee there from NK. I shouldn't have to explain that to someone.

"Economic system
The Nordic model is underpinned by a free market capitalist economic system that features high degrees of private ownershi[3] with the exception of Norway, which includes a large number of state-owned enterprises and state ownership in publicly listed firms.[29]

The Nordic model is described as a system of competitive capitalism combined with a large percentage of the population employed by the public sector (roughly 30% of the work force).[30] In 2013, The Economist described its countries as "stout free-traders who resist the temptation to intervene even to protect iconic companies" while also looking for ways to temper capitalism's harsher effects, and declared that the Nordic countries "are probably the best-governed in the world".[30][31] Some economists have referred to the Nordic economic model as a form of "cuddly" capitalism, with low levels of inequality, generous welfare states and reduced concentration of top incomes and contrast it with the more "cut-throat" capitalism of the United States, which has high levels of inequality and a larger concentration of top incomes.[11][32][33]

Beginning in the 1990s, the Swedish economy pursued neo******* reforms[34][35] that reduced the role of the public sector, leading to the fastest growth in inequality of any OECD economy.[36] However, Sweden's income inequality still remains lower than most other countries.[37]"

We have by far the best healthcare of any country in the world - it isn't perfect and we have issues here too, but as far as service and quality goes it is second to none. If you are poor in this country you get free healthcare that far surpasses the care any poor person in the world receives so save your communist talking points for someone without a brain.

I am a very educated guy, I've actually studied a lot of this in depth and studied history quite a bit as well - and I don't think you're very intelligent man. Hate to say that but you are just in a brainwashed bubble. I wish you well but if you think the US is so awful and those 'socialist' (many of them not even socialist) countries are so great, go ahead and move there.

You have some selective attention, because what you put in bold is STRONGLY undercut by the rest of the quote. Sweden tried a piece of US capitalism and it harmed the people of the country. The Nordic model is called "cuddly capitalism" by some economist, but that cuddliness that makes it work is called Socialism. The government employs 30% of the population, but that is somehow not ********ic socialism?

Venezuela and even Cuba have private ownership, are they now capitalist? Economic systems exist on a spectrum, what the US considers socialism is what the Scandanavian countries has. Free college, healthcare, a near federal job guarantee and Finland is giving out $600 a month no strings attached. What do you call that?

To your next point, the US Healthcare system is the worst among developed nations. Costs the most and performs the least. That "free healthcare" for the poor only covers the extreme bottom leaving 30-60million people without access to healthcare:

https://medium.com/@harsh.singh.clif/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world-1d397cd291c6

As far as N. Korea is concerned it is not the economic system they are fleeing, it's the totalitarianism. Those are two completely different things. A super-duper smart and educated guy like yourself should know that.

If you think that a social science like economics is as simple and observably true as the color of the sky, then you should get a refund on all that "education" you've gotten.

[Boxing_1013]

You have some selective attention, because what you put in bold is STRONGLY undercut by the rest of the quote. Sweden tried a piece of US capitalism and it harmed the people of the country. The Nordic model is called "cuddly capitalism" by some economist, but that cuddliness that makes it work is called Socialism. The government employs 30% of the population, but that is somehow not ********ic socialism?

Venezuela and even Cuba have private ownership, are they now capitalist? Economic systems exist on a spectrum, what the US considers socialism is what the Scandanavian countries has. Free college, healthcare, a near federal job guarantee and Finland is giving out $600 a month no strings attached. What do you call that? - if it is combined with no other welfare it may not be a bad idea, depends how much Finland is spending on welfare currently. If it is combined with other welfare it is surely untenable and a terrible idea.

To your next point, the US Healthcare system is the worst among developed nations. Costs the most and performs the least. That "free healthcare" for the poor only covers the extreme bottom leaving 30-60million people without access to healthcare:

https://medium.com/@harsh.singh.clif/u-s-health-care-ranked-worst-in-the-developed-world-1d397cd291c6

As far as N. Korea is concerned it is not the economic system they are fleeing, it's the totalitarianism. Those are two completely different things. A super-duper smart and educated guy like yourself should know that.

If you think that a social science like economics is as simple and observably true as the color of the sky, then you should get a refund on all that "education" you've gotten.

I'm not a capitalist sycophant; I don't think it is a perfect system and I enjoy entertaining ways in which any system can be improved. But history has proven that capitalism is by far the best system we've seen yet, and much better and much less deadly than socialism/communism.

Again - ask yourself why people flee Cuba to come to the US etc? People vote with their feet, and when they experience real socialism, they realize how awful it is and they then do whatever possible to escape that country and come a more capitalist one where their hard work will be more appropriately rewarded.

Once you start confiscating the property money and work of people, you kill the incentive for them to actually work and create. We should be thankful for ultra billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who have contributed untold wealth to all of us in society, we should not be demonizing them and confiscating their wealth and discouraging them from using their genius to better all of our lives. By doing that, we all become poorer. People are the answer, not gov't.

Honestly you seem only interested in defending socialism, and blaming capitalism, for any and every reason. Socialism has had obvious disasters, and capitalism obvious successes, and to overlook those is disingenuous at best, so it is difficult to take you seriously.

[MC Hammer]

I'm not a capitalist sycophant; I don't think it is a perfect system and I enjoy entertaining ways in which any system can be improved. But history has proven that capitalism is by far the best system we've seen yet, and much better and much less deadly than socialism/communism.

Again - ask yourself why people flee Cuba to come to the US etc? People vote with their feet, and when they experience real socialism, they realize how awful it is and they then do whatever possible to escape that country and come a more capitalist one where their hard work will be more appropriately rewarded.

Once you start confiscating the property money and work of people, you kill the incentive for them to actually work and create. We should be thankful for ultra billionaires like Jeff Bezos and Bill Gates who have contributed untold wealth to all of us in society, we should not be demonizing them and confiscating their wealth and discouraging them from using their genius to better all of our lives. By doing that, we all become poorer. People are the answer, not gov't.

Honestly you seem only interested in defending socialism, and blaming capitalism, for any and every reason. Socialism has had obvious disasters, and capitalism obvious successes, and to overlook those is disingenuous at best, so it is difficult to take you seriously.

You act as if economic systems happen in a bubble. Do you think economic terrorism and embargoes on Cuba and covert attacks had 0 effect on their economy and the condtions under which people live? You know Cuba never forced people to stay. It's easier to let them leave so you have fewer people to work against the nation from the inside yet the vast majority of people stayed in Cubarather than fleeing.

The bold shows there is no purpose of talking to you. They pay 0 taxes hoard wealth, destroy small businesses and replace the jobs created by those businesses with minimum wage roles (in the case of Amazon). Amazon wouldn't even exist if they had to pay sales taxes so whay should I thank them for tax dodging and robbing the country? What technical genius did that impart into anyone's life