Comments Thread For: Espinoza: Wilder Would Be Criticized Less If People Knew Purse

[Redgloveman]

No, Hearn is in the PR business. PBC has done just fine ignoring the internet trolls and just continuing with their plan.

DAZN tried to snatch all of PBC's stars and failed over and over and over. In every instance, PBC was already paying way more than Hearn thought.

Haymon's business model clearly revolves around secrecy. He's not going to want Espinoza to disclose anything.

Do you want the IRS to know exactly what you made if they don't have to? Do you want the sanctioning bodies to know exactly what you made when you have to pay them a percentage of whatever you claim you made?

There's a reason Haymon does things the way he does them. It protects the fighters.

Hearn is a promoter. He has no legal obligation to protect the fighters' money. So if he wants to run his mouth or brag about numbers, that's his right. Haymon doesn't roll that way.

Right now Wilder’s stock (which was just starting to pick up) is tumbling. The perception is that he ducked Joshua blatantly; hence Espinoza mentioning the criticism which Wilder is receiving by the truckload online.

PR is massively important in this game. Sad, but true.

If this is all part of Haymon’s plan then it’s frankly a terrible plan. People are losing interest in his marquee fighter (who is about to fight on free-to-air tv rather than preparing to headline a mega-fight)

[Redgloveman]

Why say this when you don't know this to be true. There is a gaggle of AJ fans and Wilder haters that have said this but the whole "most people" is quite overblown. There are even some sensible Joshua fans who say, sure he turned down this deal but it doesn't preclude them fighting after their interim fights. Again, this was a "network/broadcast" contract and not a fighter to fighter offer.

Just go online.

Even check out a pro-Wilder channel on YouTube and check the comments section.

Note not only the weight of comments expressing disappointment in Wilder and even mocking him and also the amount of upvotes that those comments receive.

Here are the top rated comments as of this moment on Blue Blood Sports top 3 videos in a search of his name (I just picked the first three I did not select these videos. Feel free to verify them yourself


Blue Blood Sports is known as one of the main (and few remaining) Wilder supporting channels:

https://*************/watch?v=hF7ObA74zfY

“Hopefully When Wilder Gets Knock Out He Will End His Channel”

https://*************/watch?v=wXcCZMJ04Ls

“Then if welder is making more money behind Close doors then why are they worried about what AJ is going to make when they have sent him a Contract to fight.”

https://*************/watch?v=zag-PZzNmro

“Deontay talking crap as usual. Get's asked a question about AJ then starts talking nonsense and never gets to the point.“

This is on a PRO-WILDER channel! If you want to see the comments (none of which will have been deleted by the author) on an anti-Wilder channel check out Bruce Vane or Counterpunch Boxing and see the sheer amount smack that people are talking about Wilder. It’s significantly more than “a gaggle of AJ fans”

So you see my point. The truth is basically out right now and there are just a few desperate clingers on who are still supporting Wilder regardless (people who would still support him if he spat directly into their faces)

[harry-greb]

No they offered him 40 for joshua with no backend money because backend money is impossible on dazn. Wilder offered AJ 10mil more or 50% whichever is greater. Why should dazn and Hearn get to own Wilder's career just to get a fight with AJ?

When Floyd said Manny had to sign with Mayweather promotions to get the fight he was rightly ridiculed for it so why is it all good now?

40 million IS the back end money.
Dazn have cut out the ppv risk for wilder

[Ake-Dawg]

Just go online.

Even check out a pro-Wilder channel on YouTube and check the comments section.

Note not only the weight of comments expressing disappointment in Wilder and even mocking him and also the amount of upvotes that those comments receive.

Here are the top rated comments as of this moment on Blue Blood Sports top 3 videos in a search of his name (I just picked the first three I did not select these videos. Feel free to verify them yourself


Blue Blood Sports is known as one of the main (and few remaining) Wilder supporting channels:

https://*************/watch?v=hF7ObA74zfY

“Hopefully When Wilder Gets Knock Out He Will End His Channel”

https://*************/watch?v=wXcCZMJ04Ls

“Then if welder is making more money behind Close doors then why are they worried about what AJ is going to make when they have sent him a Contract to fight.”

https://*************/watch?v=zag-PZzNmro

“Deontay talking crap as usual. Get's asked a question about AJ then starts talking nonsense and never gets to the point.“

This is on a PRO-WILDER channel! If you want to see the comments (none of which will have been deleted by the author) on an anti-Wilder channel check out Bruce Vane or Counterpunch Boxing and see the sheer amount smack that people are talking about Wilder. It’s significantly more than “a gaggle of AJ fans”

So you see my point. The truth is basically out right now and there are just a few desperate clingers on who are still supporting Wilder regardless (people who would still support him if he spat directly into their faces)

Don't be soph-moric. AJ fans and Wilder haters go to pro-Wilder channels just like they click on Wilder articles. How do you think these clowns know what that LDCB or whatever they refer to it as says?

Just face it, you, me, nor anyone else without analytical tools and access to all fans are NOT qualified to throw out that "most phrase" with any validation.

At best you can say IT APPEARS TO YOU.

[LetOutTheCage]

Turned down 100M+ to avoid Joshua, yeah that says a lot about the guy.

[MC Hammer]

40 million IS the back end money.
Dazn have cut out the ppv risk for wilder

And cut the reward in the process along with ensuring that Wilder wouldn't be rewarded in the rematch even if he had a spectacular performance in the 1st fight.

They would've also put Joshua in a position where he is guaranteed more than Wilder because Wilder's 40 mil is the starting point for AJ negotiations.

SHO out here offering 50mil guarantees for the fight so what's the advantage of short changing himself?

[Redgloveman]

Don't be soph-moric. AJ fans and Wilder haters go to pro-Wilder channels just like they click on Wilder articles. How do you think these clowns know what that LDCB or whatever they refer to it as says?

Just face it, you, me, nor anyone else without analytical tools and access to all fans are NOT qualified to throw out that "most phrase" with any validation.

At best you can say IT APPEARS TO YOU.

Yes, I’m aware that “haters” click on Wilder videos, i was commenting on the fact that (even allowing for haters) Wilder’s detractors evidently far outweigh his fans since he declined the DAZN money.

When it gets to the point that even the pro-Wilder channels, which you would expect to be frequented more by his fans than his detractors, are inundated with negative comments you should realise that the public is moving against him.

As to the point that I need to caveat everything I say with “in my opinion” etc: the way I see it, this is a forum, and it’s fair game to be assertive with one’s opinions. I’m not going to claim that it’s a scientific fact that the public perceive Wilder to be a ducker because it’s a claim which could never be made in that context, even though it’s fairly clear to the Average Joe that that is the case, as I have already pointed out and evidenced with links.

[Ake-Dawg]

Yes, I’m aware that “haters” click on Wilder videos, i was commenting on the fact that (even allowing for haters) Wilder’s detractors evidently far outweigh his fans since he declined the DAZN money.

When it gets to the point that even the pro-Wilder channels, which you would expect to be frequented more by his fans than his detractors, are inundated with negative comments you should realise that the public is moving against him.

As to the point that I need to caveat everything I say with “in my opinion” etc: the way I see it, this is a forum, and it’s fair game to be assertive with one’s opinions. I’m not going to claim that it’s a scientific fact that the public perceive Wilder to be a ducker because it’s a claim which could never be made in that context, even though it’s fairly clear to the Average Joe that that is the case, as I have already pointed out and evidenced with links.

If you understood that it was simply your opinion that you stated assertively, why did you seek to dredge up "proof" (loosely put) that what you said was indeed fact.

I'm forever amazed at how people come on internet forums and attempt to prove their opinion to be fact or some general consensus. I think the average Joe recognizes clearly that such an approach is an obvious waste of time.

[Redgloveman]

If you understood that it was simply your opinion that you stated assertively, why did you seek to dredge up "proof" (loosely put) that what you said was indeed fact.

I never tried to show that what I said was “indeed fact”, I simply showed you what my assertion was based on - which I welcome you to look at yourself. I even specifically mentioned that “fact” in the strictest sense of the word isn’t really achievable when it comes to these types of discussions, which should be fairly obvious to anyone reasonably intelligent.

Now stay with me here...
That’s not to say that opinions (assertively stated or not) shouldn’t be based on something. Surely you understand that? I mean, sure, if you’re enough of a Wilder fanboy not to look at what I’ve already shown you (my guess is that you didn’t bother, given that you haven’t said anything to rebut the evidence) you probably don’t bother to base your opinions on anything particularly solid or reliable. That’s exactly what makes fanboy posts so boring and lacking in substance and such a drain on forums like this one where some people actually want to discuss boxing.

It speaks volumes that you find it so strange that I would back up my opinions with evidence.

Any other issues?

[N/A]

Right now Wilder’s stock (which was just starting to pick up) is tumbling. The perception is that he ducked Joshua blatantly; hence Espinoza mentioning the criticism which Wilder is receiving by the truckload online.

Haymon's philosophy has always been to ignore the PR games online and just keep pushing forward. He's not going to live and die trying to brainwash internet nerds. Espinoza does let himself get ****** into that vortex sometimes.

The people who think Wilder ducked Joshua, frankly, are idiots. Joshua wasn't being offered next. All Wilder did was choose Showtime over DAZN for the Breazeale fight.