Wilder smiles: "50/50 or no AJ fight, belts not important"

[Fabes88]

I'm happy to listen to any part you want me to. Just post a link and a time stamp. Thanks.




You can't ask for 50 million and then also expect to retain the UK TV rights on top of 50 million. That would be insane. So whatever Sky would have normally paid Joshua, that money would instead be going to PBC to try to make back their 50 million.

Regardless of Joshua's Sky deal, there's a negotiation for every fight, based on the level of opponent, for what Sky will spend on marketing, how many buys they'll guarantee, how much money they'll put up in advance, what the split will be, etc.

Sky has no incentive to negotiate in good faith if they automatically get the rights no matter what. That's not how it works. Getting a bid from BT gives you a base line on what the marketplace values the fight at, what would be an appropriate marketing budget, etc.

In reference to your first point I just assumed you saw the same video I did. I can’t be assed to trawl through my 300+ notifications to find the video I originally watched.

As for your second point I do agree. When aj said about the 50 mil to me it seemed like a throwaway comment and I know it wasn’t a case of the money but it was more down to contractual Issues.

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3 mins onwards aj explains it better than I ever could. Given your background surely you can see the complications in accepting such an offer

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Given your background surely you can see the complications in accepting such an offer

The initial offer, with no rematch clause, Joshua definitely should have rejected.

But once they offered 50 million first fight with 30 million in a rematch if he loses the first fight, any counter shouldn't have been for a UK fight, the counter should have been for a co-promotion with a fair split. Any excuse about BT was really nonsense. Any excuse about sponsors was really nonsense. He just straight up didn't want to fight Wilder in the US.

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And neither did Joshua

What? Do you just type stuff and then think it becomes a fact?

Joshua banked about $25M for Povetkin fight alone.
Anyone arguing that Wilder is as big a commercial success as Joshua is simply being a troll, deluded, mentally ill or they're ****** af.

[Phenom]

What? Do you just type stuff and then think it becomes a fact?

Joshua banked about $25M for Povetkin fight alone.
Anyone arguing that Wilder is as big a commercial success as Joshua is simply being a troll, deluded, mentally ill or they're ****** af.

Post a credible source

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Thank you for helping me find the video. I just watched it. Frank said BT wanted the fight, not that the fight had to be on BT or that BT was financing the fight. Big difference.

At the time, when the negotiations were going on and Hearn said Sky had to be the broadcaster, Finkel publicly said there was no problem with Sky being the broadcaster as long as they made a fair offer.

But how do you determine what a fair offer is? That's where Warren comes in. Finkel asked Warren to find out what BT would pay, so Finkel could then go to Hearn and say, "BT is willing to pay X, so we can put the fight on Sky, but they need to pay close to X."

There's nothing unreasonable about that. Wilder never asked Joshua to leave his UK broadcaster. However, Joshua is asking Wilder to leave his US broadcaster. That's not fair. It's the top UK heavyweight vs. the top US heavyweight. The fair thing would be for Joshua's broadcaster to get UK rights and Wilder's broadcaster to get US rights.

You're tying yourself in knots trying to defend Wilder. Give it up mate, the world knows he's a coward, liar, ducker, paper chump who just got beat.

[Slicc]

Wilder just generated more PPV revenue than Joshua because Wilder's fight was PPV in both the US and UK, with US PPV being priced 3x higher than UK PPV. So the gap between what Joshua generates and what Wilder generates is starting to close. Remember, 330,000 buys at $75 is the equivalent of 1 million UK PPV buys, and that's not even counting the actual UK PPV buys for Wilder's last fight.

Joshua vs Klitschko generated $40,506,080 and Wilder vs Fury generated $24,375,000 according to the ppv numbers we have. Mind you, Wilder's never generated close to that on ppv until fighting Fury while Joshua's sold over 1 million UK ppvs 3 times.

Yes, Joshua has three belts to Wilder's one, but Wilder has the most important belt.

1 belt isn't going to overshadow 3, period. I don't care if it's the WBC, it's not worth more than the WBA, WBO and IBF combined.

I agree Wilder doesn't deserve 50/50. Yet. But he may get there before long. However, Hearn wants Wilder to come to Joshua's platform. A platform that generates less than PPV. So you can't cry duck when Hearn is insisting that Joshua not only get the lion's share, but that Wilder has to ditch his partner to fight on Joshua's platform. If Hearn wants that, it's gonna cost him 50/50.

The only way I see Wilder getting 50%, is if Joshua gets very desperate for that last belt. Hearn offered Wilder more money than he'll most likely ever earn in his career. I hope Wilder's "partner" has him fighting Brezeale for at least as much as Hearn offered him, because otherwise that's more money Wilder screwed himself out of.

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You're tying yourself in knots trying to defend Wilder. Give it up mate, the world knows he's a coward, liar, ducker, paper chump who just got beat.

You're certainly entitled to your opinion, but a reasonable person wouldn't draw the conclusions you've drawn.

I don't have to defend anything. I have no stake in any of this.

If you think fighting Breazeale on Showtime instead of fighting Breazeale on DAZN makes Wilder a coward, good for you. It's a bizarre conclusion, but good for you. To a reasonable person, Wilder fighting Breazeale on Showtime instead of DAZN would indicate he's trying to build his profile and will get more exposure fighting on Showtime.

Wilder didn't just get beat. It was a draw. You want to live in a fantasy. I live in reality. The reality is Fury largely out boxed Wilder, but got dropped twice, was a split second from being counted out in the 12th, and the judges ruled it a draw, as did about 40% of the most prominent ringside experts.

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Joshua vs Klitschko generated $40,506,080 and Wilder vs Fury generated $24,375,000 according to the ppv numbers we have.

Joshua's most recent PPV did far less than that. If we're comparing where Joshua and Wilder are at now, Joshua is worth about a million UK buys and Wilder is worth about a third of that, but at three times the price. So they're about even.

1 belt isn't going to overshadow 3, period. I don't care if it's the WBC, it's not worth more than the WBA, WBO and IBF combined.

Agree completely. But you can't do 75/25 just because Joshua has three and Wilder has one. The WBC is worth way way more than the WBO. I think 60/40 is fair for this fight right now and the fight would happen at 60/40 if Hearn would allow Joshua to fight on PPV, where the most money can be made.

[LacedUp]

UK PPV numbers aren't released. You likely just made up a number, or saw someone make up a number and were ****** enough to believe them.

that's what you want to believe.

Wilder vs Fury barely broke even across the board.

75k ppvs in profit. That's 5million.

Wow, massive draw!

[LacedUp]

Joshua's most recent PPV did far less than that. If we're comparing where Joshua and Wilder are at now, Joshua is worth about a million UK buys and Wilder is worth about a third of that, but at three times the price. So they're about even.

Agree completely. But you can't do 75/25 just because Joshua has three and Wilder has one. The WBC is worth way way more than the WBO. I think 60/40 is fair for this fight right now and the fight would happen at 60/40 if Hearn would allow Joshua to fight on PPV, where the most money can be made.

Why are you comparing Wilder's biggest ever fight to Joshua's last fight that pretty much everyone thought was just a routine defense? Seems like you have an agenda. Wonder why.