Comments Thread For: Arum: Haymon, Wilder Were Wise To Walk Away From DAZN Deal

[bigdunny1]

Arum doesn't care about Haymon or Wilder he is saying this for 1 reason only. Wilder/Joshua would of froze Fury and ESPN out. Wilder passing means he still has a chance to land Wilder/Fury on ESPN or maybe Joshua/Fury. The irony is he basically made the same offer DAZN did to Wilder but with MORE future fights owed to ESPN and for LESS money. The reason Wilder passed on the ESPN offer is the same he passed on DAZN offer which was better. It's because he doesn't want to fight outside of PBC and he doesn't want to owe future fights to another network he just wants to do a single 1 off fight which ESPN refused to offer and so did DAZN.

If Arum thought DAZN offer was bad for Wilder then why did he offer the same type of contract just with more fights owed to ESPN and for less guaranteed money? LMAO

[KTFOKING]

Arum just loves this so his investment of Fury doesn't become a waste. Arum needs either a Wilder or Joshua fight for Fury. Now he has a chance for that to come to fruition. Arum also kind of alluded to how Wilder can make Joshua's and Fury's side bid for his services. I think that is exactly it. Wilder, as long as he beats Breazeale, will pretty much get to fight against the highest bidder. Will ESPN guarantee him what DAZN guaranteed him though? Not sure, but they will almost have to. Obviously that would be on PPV, but both fighters will want insane guarantees regardless of potential upside.

[Holler]

Yup I started to understand even more when it was disclosed that it was actually a 4 FIGHT deal and NOT a 3 fight deal like they originally said. You know what the big problem is,WILDER DOES NOT TRUST EDDIE HEARN AND THOSE AFFILIATED WITH HIM and with good reason.

This subscription model which apparently means you have to sign multi fight deals if you want to fight a particular fighter will not work with everyone especially if that fighter is happy where they are. Wilder does not trust anything Hearn affiliated and I can't say I blame him. He wants options and a 3 fight deal was a lot, a 4 fight deal? That's even crazier and learning the truth actually explains WHY Wilder is apprehensive to sign with them. They Lie...

Not so, you can find the actual deal offered in Dan Rafael's piece on ESPN but Wilder was offered a CHOICE of two deals.

DAZN offered Wilder two versions of a deal from which he could pick, two sources with knowledge of the offers told ESPN.

One deal, the sources said, was for three fights worth $100 million. The first fight would have been a $20 million payday to fight Breazeale this spring, which is way over the market value for that level fight. Wilder was guaranteed $10 million to fight Fury in their exciting draw on Showtime PPV on Dec. 1. The second fight would have been for $40 million to fight Joshua in the fall for the undisputed title with the third fight being an immediate rematch with Joshua for another $40 million -- even if Wilder, in the worst-case scenario, had gotten knocked out, even in the first round, of the first fight by Joshua (22-0, 21 KOs), 29, of England.

The second version of the offer, one of the sources said, would have paid Wilder $20 million to fight Breazeale, $40 million for the Joshua fight, a $20 million fight against another opponent to be determined followed by another $40 million for a rematch with Joshua in the fourth fight.

So to be clear, he could've fought Breazeale on DAZN for 20m then Joshua twice for 40m a time, regardless of how he did in the first fight and that was it. No ties, no further options, just the mandatory then the two Joshua fights for $100m.

[Snoop Frog]

This works out well for Wilder *if* he doesn't take an unexpected loss. I hope for his wallet's sake he makes it to a Fury rematch or a Joshua fight without an unexpected loss.

[OldTerry]

Arum and Haymon are both desperate to defend the existing PPV model. They've built their empires upon it and if DAZN succeed in disrupting it they're in big trouble.

Understand what's happening here. It's not really about Wilder or Joshua, it's nothing about cowardice from either man, it's about a fight between alternative models of how to deliver boxing to US fight fans and this fight, as the biggest that can be made right now, is simply the battleground where these networks have chosen to fight.

US fight fans who are celebrating Wilder refusing this offer should look at how these decisions affect their own pockets. Compare the amount they would've had to pay for two PPV fights on Showtime PPV, say $180 for two months of DAZN subscription, $40 under the new plan, or $99 if they want all of DAZN's programming for the next year.

Wilder's team are backing the old way. They've turned down an offer that was above what the market would likely deliver in the hope they'll get more eventually and maybe they will or maybe they won't. What is clear is that the only place this additional revenue is coming from is the pockets of US boxing fans.

I don't disagree with you but in a way it is beside the point. Arum and Hayman are only concerned with making the most money possible. They don't care whose pocket it comes from. DAZN at $99 per year is a fantastic value for the fans but only if they have the fights the fans want to see. Arum and Hayman and Arum are doing their best to throw a branch into the spokes of DAZN.

[OldTerry]

This doesn't make much sense really. Arum is basically saying he thinks Wilder defeats Fury the guy he just signed because he's suggesting fans need to wait until Wilders greed is satisfied after he defeats Fury and wins to make the AJ fight bigger ? Ha

Maybe, somehow Arum can guaranty Wilder beats Fury. You know how it can go.

[Bronx2245]

Arum doesn't care about Haymon or Wilder he is saying this for 1 reason only. Wilder/Joshua would of froze Fury and ESPN out. Wilder passing means he still has a chance to land Wilder/Fury on ESPN or maybe Joshua/Fury. The irony is he basically made the same offer DAZN did to Wilder but with MORE future fights owed to ESPN and for LESS money. The reason Wilder passed on the ESPN offer is the same he passed on DAZN offer which was better. It's because he doesn't want to fight outside of PBC and he doesn't want to owe future fights to another network he just wants to do a single 1 off fight which ESPN refused to offer and so did DAZN.

If Arum thought DAZN offer was bad for Wilder then why did he offer the same type of contract just with more fights owed to ESPN and for less guaranteed money? LMAO

Like Nas said, "It Ain't Hard to Tell!!!" Great post!

[Phill lynott]

Ppv of any sort took a big hit negatively last saturday. The event could have been even more ugly if it wasn't for the class and performance of Taylor being on the card. Even so ppv is a fans nemasis without much confidence of any event being worth the price. Being said that, top ranks espn+ and DAZN better learn to work together on things and not compete against each other. It does us fans no good if they can't find a way to cooperate. It's not a choice for the fan because we all have fighters we like to follow and can't controll who they fight for promotionaly.

[Smash]

wilder always seems to be shortchanged now, every contract he gets offered is not quite good enough, and probably never will be........ let him roll his dice and play his game and then when it all adds up at the end, time will tell but its certainly not grasping the bull by the horns anyways

[OgTripleOg]

DAZN is not sustainable, this is why they are raising their prices so soon in their market and will continue to do so because they are overpaying too many fighters without making much back!

They’re only prayer was a Wilder vs AJ fight and they tried to short change Wilder again while making more profit!

They’re only hope is Canelo since he’s the bigger star between himself and AJ and he’s fighting better competition!

Wilder said 50/50 and on PPV and when Hearns gets his egocentric head outta his own àśś and only then will he realize that Wilder is what he needs!

Same people scrutinizing Wilder are the same ones who said not taking the 15 mill or 23 mill flat fees was an idiotic move, but he didn’t take them and look at what he’s getting offered now!

Finkel and Haymon knows how much the fight is truly worth while these armchair couch fans all of a sudden became accountants over night is hilarious!

I want the fight as bad as anyone but you gotta understand that this is a business as well, I don’t like it but it’s the truth!

When the fight happens, everyone and they’re grandmother will be watching it or have heard of it and Wilder will be set for generations!

You might be right here. DAzn did increase their prices after Wilder turned them down. Lol