when theres a potential 2 mil buys and 160mil in US ppv money on the table

[Curt Henning]

Where did it say it was the total for the whole fight? So who was going to promote the Wilder-Breazeale fight? Matchroom? Golden Boy? Who's going to collect the gate money fo DAZN? There is no chance Wilder is going to let Matchroom or Godlen Boy promote his fight.

you dont have the details of the fights or the offer.....you cant prove that they didnt wanna let matchroom promote the fight....the same way dibella does it for haymon with wilder

in fact DAZN might not have even broached that topic in the meeting...they might not have even gotten that far

thats why i find the whole offer and "wilder is obvi " ducking absolutely sad...no one can provide details of the deal and what it is...im assuming no more than you are

[Holler]

thats why i find the whole offer and "wilder is obvi " ducking absolutely sad...no one can provide details of the deal and what it is...im assuming no more than you are

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer.

I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree?

[Curt Henning]

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer.

I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree?

that depends who you ask

wilder side said they sent a detailed term sheet....which most of us know that both sides agree to terms before a contract, official, is drafted....

the thing is...all they had at DAZN was a meeting....and wilders side couldnt even get a number on AJs number/portion....id be willing to be my life that AJ's numbers were detailed in the term sheet wilders side sent...or at least his guarantee and percentages with upside.....wilder couldnt even get anything on AJs side

there are also reports that wilder couldnt even get a guarantee the AJ fight would be next for both guys after these fights....that seems crazy ...not sure i put a ton of stock in that report but it has been floated

the whole thing is a mess really at this point....but i tend to go with the side that seemed to geuninely be interested and willing previously

like ive said...DAZN has basically told u what wilders low end worth is...because DAZN would assume the risk you spoke of previously...they have to believe, in downside, wilder is worth at least that much....they arent using hope as a tactic....their research would indicate thats wilders lowball value at least.....which would probably tell wilder that hes worth more

its especially fishy to me DAZN wasnt going to tell them what AJs deal in this looked like....thats very important to wilder and to wilder signing any deal with DAZN

you have to admit...that alone is cause for wilder to not sign anything...for all he knows AJ is getting much more plus upside that wilder himself isnt being offered.....transparency on what AJs cut of the two fight deal would probably go along way into getting wilder to get in the deal.....but then again DAZN might be hiding something that might make wilder walk even faster

the whole thing strikes me as odd....remember how eddie called wilders 50 mil a publicity stunt designed to sway the public...im not so sure this is much different...maybe its genuine and earnest....but they sure is alot of uknowns...at the least they could divulge what AJ would be making under this assumed deal....at least to wilder himself....not to us

[Curt Henning]

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer.

I guess you didn't do that however as of course that would make the post above rather hypocritical wouldn't you agree?

also..to add to my last post

from what i know/remember..correct me if im wrong

eddie just said he never received a contract...now we all know that guys send term sheets...all major points are agreed to and then if both agree an offical contract is sent

wilders side say they sent a term sheet.....hearn has only disputed that he never received a contract

in taht twitter spat eddie just kept saying he never received a "contract"....but espinoza alluded to a term sheet...which had all the important points and details in it.....

[Jubei]

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls.

[STREET CLEANER]

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls.

AJ doesn't bring 90%. The fight because they are the two guys everybody wants to see get together in the ring.

If AJ would bring 90% of the viewers then he doesn't financially have to fight Wilder

[Jubei]

AJ doesn't bring 90%. The fight because they are the two guys everybody wants to see get together in the ring.

If AJ would bring 90% of the viewers then he doesn't financially have to fight Wilder

AJ vs Fury would do huge numbers.

AJ vs Wilder would do huge numbers

Wilder vs Fury wont.

As long as AJ is involved the fight would get massive.

Who is the real star here and who is the side attraction?

[Curt Henning]

So Wilder vs Fury did 300k but Wilder vs AJ would do 2 Million? So you assume that AJ is the one that brings in 90% of the viewers but Wilder deserves 50%? You just exposed yourself and all the Wilder fangirls.

I didn't realize that when wilder fight aj that fury would actually be showing up for aj lol

U aren't bright....judging by what ggg did in his ppv's against other he wasn't worth sheet to canelo ,...but u out him with canelo and people are interested........it's common sense anyone with a brain could see....which is why it flies over ur ****** face

Aj and wilder together isnt wilder vs fury or brezeale or ortiz,,,,and aj vs wilder isn't aj vs povetkin miller or anyone else.....can u grasp this very simple concept yet u dolt?

[Mirror Universe]

That's an interesting take Curt, because an awful lot of Wilder's fans on this very board made that very accusation that Joshua was ducking on the basis of a far less detailed proposal with far less information or details than has been available on th DAZN offer.

When Wilder emailed the 50 million offer to Joshua, it included all of the major deal points you would expect in an offer.

MONEY: 50 million guaranteed

PPV UPSIDE: Over 100 million

UPSIDE SPLIT: 50/50

REMATCH: No rematch clause for either side

LOCATION: Venue of Wilder's choosing

DATE: Mutually agreed upon date between September and December 2018.

INTERIM FIGHTS: No interim fights allowed.


Hearn publicly stated he responded with several questions and that Haymon answered all of his questions satisfactorily.


The deal not happening had nothing to do with lack of details. The deal didn't happen because Team AJ decided they weren't willing to fight Wilder in the US and they declined his offer. Which is fine. AJ is the A-side. He can do whatever he wants. But he shouldn't have said give me 50 million and I'll sign tomorrow if he didn't mean it. He didn't believe the fight could really generate 100 million in the US and dared Wilder to call his bluff.

Wilder called his bluff and AJ didn't keep his promise. So AJ deserves to have egg on his face.

[STREET CLEANER]

AJ vs Fury would do huge numbers.

AJ vs Wilder would do huge numbers

Wilder vs Fury wont.

As long as AJ is involved the fight would get massive.

Who is the real star here and who is the side attraction?

In your opinion Fury/Wilder won't make money. It takes two to tango

It takes Canelo vs GGG to do big numbers. They can't do those numbers on their own.