when theres a potential 2 mil buys and 160mil in US ppv money on the table

[El Gitano]

are you new to boxing?

do you know how a fight works? there is internation tv rights...sponorships...live gate money and merchandise....ppv is NOT the only source of revenue for a fight

the fact that you dont know that much disqualifies you from speaking

I'm just entertainment your number. Tell us how much it's going to generate in sponsorships, live gate, merchandise, etc?

[Curt Henning]

look at the brits in a tizzy!

at least theres a few decent guys here willing to talk....but look at robbie! he just knows! he just knows wilder can only make 4 mil! he knows more than pugmire! he knows more than finkel and espinoza! any questions? ask robbie! hes a legend...he knows!

[Curt Henning]

I'm just entertainment your number. Tell us how much it's going to generate in sponsorships, live gate, merchandise, etc?

i have no idea about sponsorships and merch...but live gate would be at least 16 mil...i think thats a low figure though...i think in vegas it might do much more than that....that would be a minimum.....16 mil at the gate is what chavez/canelo did there

[Holler]

potentially.....

do you go flat fee on a non ppv subscription model?

oh youll charge 20 bucks for a month subscription? oh nice...so your gonna leave potentially 60 bucks a head on the table?

so what if the 20 dollar price tag entices more viewers and it does 4 mil in subscriptions for the month? do the fighters, wilder in particular, get an upside cut?!?!?!

nope! he doesnt....LOL....

All these assumptions...

First off, you should acknowledge the risks.

Wilder did 350k with Fury, AJ has yet to feature on US PPV. So you are highly optimistic at 2 million.

Secondly, if the first fight is awful, say one man KO'ed in 20 seconds or alternatively a 12 round boring tactical battle with dodgy scorecards at the end, then the take on the second fight could be badly affected.

So you need to assess the 100m on offer to Wilder in the context of transferring those risks to the broadcaster.

Finally, this was an offer that actually existed and to which AJ would sign up. Whereas you have a theoretical deal and split with Showtime to which AJ hasn't agreed AND MAY NOT. So you are actually discussing nothing as yet whereas the DAZN offer had the advantage of actually existing. Risk number 3. No A side, no fight. Maybe AJ doesn't fancy PBC's scorecards?

So, you'd make a better argument if you'd shown that you'd considered the considerable downsides as well as the theoretical best case upside...

[Boksfan]

Beyonce Wildher is a greedy COWARD! His ****** fangirls are in denial

[Curt Henning]

All these assumptions...

First off, you should acknowledge the risks.

Wilder did 350k with Fury, AJ has yet to feature on US PPV. So you are highly optimistic at 2 million.

Secondly, if the first fight is awful, say one man KO'ed in 20 seconds or alternatively a 12 round boring tactical battle with dodgy scorecards at the end, then the take on the second fight could be badly affected.

So you need to assess the 100m on offer to Wilder in the context of transferring those risks to the broadcaster.

Finally, this was an offer that actually existed and to which AJ would sign up. Whereas you have a theoretical deal and split with Showtime to which AJ hasn't agreed AND MAY NOT. So you are actually discussing nothing as yet whereas the DAZN offer had the advantage of actually existing. Risk number 3.

So, you'd make a better argument if you'd shown that you'd considered the considerable downsides as well as the theoretical best case upside...

oh there is a risk...no question

but ive already made my argument on that

DAZN is the one taking the risk....theyre paying AJ 20-20+ a fight.....hes part of their brand....a big part of it...having AJ working with them, even if its a fight by fight basis, is a boon to them...they need star power.......if he loses they are flushing money down the drain when still in their infancy and they arent seeing great returns yet

theres virtually no risk on wilders side....he fights a stinker it is what it is....he loses? they dont lose much.....those guys at showtime and al will soldier on......but hearns power in boxing will be diminished and DAZN would lose a face of their program

again...i dont base my guesses on what guys did previously with other guys......other AJ opponents arent wilder...and other widler opponents arent AJ

AJ was/is already known in the states...this fight has had a building buzz from at least a year ago....AJ has been over here doing pressers in NY for a few years now...hes been on radio and ESPN recently.......there is buzz here...i know...im from here....i know a bunch of casuals that have been talking about this....guys asking me at work when i think, if i think, it will happen

AJ only needs this next fight....to do well... and the fight will do very well...not saying it def hits 2 mil...but even if it doesnt it will be close

when you put two guys together sometimes its special....i dont care what wilder/fury did.....or whatever...its like saying "khan/canelo" only did 600k...or "lemieux/ggg" only did 100k....or "canelo never headlined a ppv before no way will him and floyd kill it"....or "floyd only sold like 300k ppvs no way he and oscar break records"......wilder/AJ are a perfect combo

[Stinger1]

its not common sense at all....far from it...you want it to be

finkel said they couldnt get a number on what AJ was gonna make...prob because they were gonna funnel upside to AJ ....but wilder was taking a flat....

it was a fight over...it was not a tv deal....show me where it was a tv deal.....you dont have that info or proof anywhere......you are just floating "common sense" so it sounds like you have a leg to stand on

Where did it say it was the total for the whole fight? So who was going to promote the Wilder-Breazeale fight? Matchroom? Golden Boy? Who's going to collect the gate money fo DAZN? There is no chance Wilder is going to let Matchroom or Godlen Boy promote his fight.

[Curt Henning]

All these assumptions...

First off, you should acknowledge the risks.

Wilder did 350k with Fury, AJ has yet to feature on US PPV. So you are highly optimistic at 2 million.

Secondly, if the first fight is awful, say one man KO'ed in 20 seconds or alternatively a 12 round boring tactical battle with dodgy scorecards at the end, then the take on the second fight could be badly affected.

So you need to assess the 100m on offer to Wilder in the context of transferring those risks to the broadcaster.

Finally, this was an offer that actually existed and to which AJ would sign up. Whereas you have a theoretical deal and split with Showtime to which AJ hasn't agreed AND MAY NOT. So you are actually discussing nothing as yet whereas the DAZN offer had the advantage of actually existing. Risk number 3. No A side, no fight. Maybe AJ doesn't fancy PBC's scorecards?

So, you'd make a better argument if you'd shown that you'd considered the considerable downsides as well as the theoretical best case upside...

furthermore to add to my last reply

the risk factor is taken out of it when you look at DAZNs offer....DAZN isnt making that offer it they arent confident in what it will do....

even their deal is a huge risk by your thought process......and they arent just throwing out guaranteed cash on "hope"

HOPE IS NOT A TACTIC

im still a bit stumped as to why they wouldnt let wilder know what AJ would be getting.....theres something fishy about that....to me it says they were probably looking to give AJ upsides that they wouldnt guarantee wilder any

https://www.latimes.com/sports/boxing/la-sp-boxing-mma-newsletter-20190319-story.html

[chrisJS]

oh there is a risk...no question

but ive already made my argument on that

DAZN is the one taking the risk....theyre paying AJ 20-20+ a fight.....hes part of their brand....a big part of it...having AJ working with them, even if its a fight by fight basis, is a boon to them...they need star power.......if he loses they are flushing money down the drain when still in their infancy and they arent seeing great returns yet

theres virtually no risk on wilders side....he fights a stinker it is what it is....he loses? they dont lose much.....those guys at showtime and al will soldier on......but hearns power in boxing will be diminished and DAZN would lose a face of their program

again...i dont base my guesses on what guys did previously with other guys......other AJ opponents arent wilder...and other widler opponents arent AJ

AJ was/is already known in the states...this fight has had a building buzz from at least a year ago....AJ has been over here doing pressers in NY for a few years now...hes been on radio and ESPN recently.......there is buzz here...i know...im from here....i know a bunch of casuals that have been talking about this....guys asking me at work when i think, if i think, it will happen

AJ only needs this next fight....to do well... and the fight will do very well...not saying it def hits 2 mil...but even if it doesnt it will be close

when you put two guys together sometimes its special....i dont care what wilder/fury did.....or whatever...its like saying "khan/canelo" only did 600k...or "lemieux/ggg" only did 100k....or "canelo never headlined a ppv before no way will him and floyd kill it"....or "floyd only sold like 300k ppvs no way he and oscar break records"......wilder/AJ are a perfect combo

1. Are you happy the fight isn't agreed? It was one "yes" from Wilder away. I'm surprised you aren't bummed out over that.

2. Do you think in a one off fight after Joshua-Miller/Wilder-Breazeale on PPV would pocket Wilder $60m or more?

[Holler]

DAZN is the one taking the risk...

theres virtually no risk on wilders side....

and yet DAZN just put $250m into a pot to bring this risk about whilst Wilder who you say had no risk on his side knocked back the chance of securing his family's future guaranteed no matter what his performance and and even if all three fights bombed he still took what, 2, then 4 then 4 times his best ever paycheck along with a chance to be undisputed and on the way to a billion dollars?

Do you understand how that doesn't convince?