Shelley Finkel: "latest offer from Eddie hearn is not worth reply"

[Scipio2009]

I knew once a big percentage was offered, Wilder the coward would duck because he never wanted the fight. He'd just keep increasing his percentage to put roadblocks in the way. But his coward fans would also do the same by coming up with the most pathetic reasons to justify this cowardice so as not to admit that their fighter is a coward. You must protect at all costs regardless of how insane and bat**** crazy it is. I really do pity you.

^^^lol

Wilder will likely fight Breazeale on May 18th on Showtime, Joshua will fight Miller early June on DAZN, and then we'll see the talks attempted again.

A split will be agreed to, Sky Sports carries the fight in the UK, Showtime/CBS carry the fight in the US, MGM Resorts is likely the high bidder to host the fight, and the rest of the details get hammered out.

[IMDAZED]

^^^lol

Wilder will likely fight Breazeale on May 18th on Showtime, Joshua will fight Miller early June on DAZN, and then we'll see the talks attempted again.

A split will be agreed to, Sky Sports carries the fight in the UK, Showtime/CBS carry the fight in the US, MGM Resorts is likely the high bidder to host the fight, and the rest of the details get hammered out.

What he said.

[Scipio2009]

Now it's the viewing numbers? Haha.

You think Wilder should have everything his own way and have the cards stacked in his favour on Showtime so AJ can be ripped off like Fury was?

You'll excuse anything. No matter how insane. Your excuses are monstrous.

The Breazeale fight isn't the payoff; Wilder-Joshua for all of the belts is, to the tune of Wilder's camp seeing the fight being worth $100m, to the possibility of breaking through to a whole lot more than that.

Every step is being taken to make the payoff as big as possible, whether Wilder wins the fight or not.

Beyond that, what's with all of this "stacked in his favor" bull****? The American judge scored the fight for Fury, the British judge scored the fight even, and Jack Reis gave Fury every chance to stay in the fight when 95% of the rest of the refs on this planet would called the fight the moment Fury's eyes rolled into the back of his head on the second knockdown.

You're delusional

[Scipio2009]

Any idiot manager could go out tomorrow and sign a minimum 60million 3 fight deal for Wilder.

Finkel is a selfish idiot.

Why sign a 3-fight deal anywhere when you and the camp believe that Wilder-Joshua is a $100m fight ($50m to Wilder), and Wilder winning that fight would make an instant superstar with gargantuan paydays for however long he holds onto the belts?

You're missing the forest for the trees.

60/40 on Joshua-Wilder (between SHOPPV, Sky Box Office, MGM Resorts, and the other revenues, splitting $70m isn't some wild assumption; Joshua $42m, Wilder $28m), 50/50 on Wilder-Joshua 2 (if it's a really good fight, the money will go up; it gets to $100m and you've got $50m apiece), and then a likely mandatory defense (Pulev has the IBF mandatory, the WBA situation will be settled, Whyte-Ortiz will likely determine the WBC mandatory, and Usyk formally requesting the WBO mandatory; Wilder would be on better than 70/30 for every one of those fights) for at least another $30m.

[Scipio2009]

Wilder fought in front of 2million people multiple before. he still only sold 250k ppvs in his biggest ever fight.

He's not a star, and he's not going to be one. he's 33-34 years old.

he's in the money making phase of his career.

Your logic is not very good.

If the rumors are true, Wilder and Fury split $25m on their fight (after being guaranteed $7m), and were set to split a guaranteed $35m on the rematch, lol.

Deontay Wilder is 33, with a short wear of an amateur career, and is a heavyweight fighter with no weight issues; barring any leg injury, Wilder has a good 5 years of heavyweight prime left before slippage likely starts in.

Wilder beats Breazeale, and then beats Joshua to unify the division, he's still got a good 8-10 fights to cash in on before the body starts to slip. lol

[Scipio2009]

As Hearn says, why not even just talk? If you don't like the offer, at least communicate and see if you can improve it.

If it's true that the offer is 60/40 for an AJ fight with AJ and 15 million for an interim fight, i'd say it's a very fair starting point for negotiations and shouldn't be ignored. Some might argue that the offer is more than fair to start with.

Because Eddie likes to talk without really wanting a deal, and Eddie being in talks can be spun in the press toward whatever other fight Eddie actually wants to make.

The basic parameters are set; Wilder wants to fight Joshua, and Joshua says he wants to fight Wilder.

Let Wilder have his next fight however he wants, let Joshua fight Miller, and then seriously discuss the deal.

60/40 Joshua is a fair split (bad faith will move that a bit to get everyone seated, but whatever), Sky Sports will carry the fight in the UK, Showtime will carry the fight in the US, and the host of the fight will go to the highest bidder (likely MGM Resorts).

Everyone sits down, holds hands to max the money out together, and you either have a handshake on pursuing a rematch if it makes sense to both parties, or you write in the rematch and deal points into the deal.

One fight, one roll of the dice, to set the stage of heavyweight boxing for the next little while.

No games, no leverage; just a fight

[Scipio2009]

Because DAZN are willing to put up a boatload of money for Wilder to fight Brezeale (significantly more than Showtime will pay him).

What is a logical reason for Wilder to not fight Brezeale on DAZN then Joshua twice on DAZN for the most amount of money and for the undisputed title.

Because Wilder-Joshua on PPV is likely a $100m fight, and DAZN isn't fronting that much money on anything.

Alvarez is getting $35m to fight, Jacobs is getting $15m to fight; to cover that on PPV, @75/$65, you'd need 1.25m homes.

Folks literally have no idea how big Wilder-Joshua for all the marbles is going to be, lol.

[LacedUp]

Why sign a 3-fight deal anywhere when you and the camp believe that Wilder-Joshua is a $100m fight ($50m to Wilder), and Wilder winning that fight would make an instant superstar with gargantuan paydays for however long he holds onto the belts?

You're missing the forest for the trees.

60/40 on Joshua-Wilder (between SHOPPV, Sky Box Office, MGM Resorts, and the other revenues, splitting $70m isn't some wild assumption; Joshua $42m, Wilder $28m), 50/50 on Wilder-Joshua 2 (if it's a really good fight, the money will go up; it gets to $100m and you've got $50m apiece), and then a likely mandatory defense (Pulev has the IBF mandatory, the WBA situation will be settled, Whyte-Ortiz will likely determine the WBC mandatory, and Usyk formally requesting the WBO mandatory; Wilder would be on better than 70/30 for every one of those fights) for at least another $30m.

But Wilder has already been offered 40% and didn't even respond

Yeah I'm missing the forest for the trees.

[LacedUp]

If the rumors are true, Wilder and Fury split $25m on their fight (after being guaranteed $7m), and were set to split a guaranteed $35m on the rematch, lol.

Deontay Wilder is 33, with a short wear of an amateur career, and is a heavyweight fighter with no weight issues; barring any leg injury, Wilder has a good 5 years of heavyweight prime left before slippage likely starts in.

Wilder beats Breazeale, and then beats Joshua to unify the division, he's still got a good 8-10 fights to cash in on before the body starts to slip. lol

Wilder already has had multiple broken hands and bicep injuries.
He took a lot of punishment in his last 2 fights, he definitely cannot keep fighting those fights for 8-10 more fights. that's for sure.

He needs to make money now.

[Scipio2009]

This is what I am taking from that interview.

CONFIRMED Hearn and Joshua want the fight. There can be no more arguments that Hearn is lying, not sending offers and that Joshua is a coward and doesn't want the fight. We heard it from the horses mouth.

Very hypocritical of Finkel to act like a victim saying 'Hearn didn't respond to my email' when Finkel is spouting off saying he isn't replying to Hearn's offer. How many offers has Hearn sent now!? The latest one was in the last few days!

CONFIRMED that Hearn is constantly trying to meet up. Finkel 'No, lets do it over the phone'. How can you sit down and discuss a fight when you admit to not wanting to meet up, Shelly!?

Again, hypocritical...'Lets sit down and make the fight'....Jesus Shelly, you just admitted that Hearn offered a meet up but you turned it down!

CONFIRMED that Wilder/Hearn thought Fury was going to be the easier fight. 'He was a lot better than we anticipated'. Failed Cherry Pick.

Hypothetical conversation:

Hearn: Hey, Shelley, what do you want to make the fight?

Finkell: Finally! We don't want a fee, we're not awed by the spectacle of fighting in front of 100k, or any of the bells and whistles you're pushing. We want 50% of the pot.

Hearn: Shelley, 50% is a bit much from our view. Joshua is the bigger star. How about 40%?

Finkell: We asked for 40% for a Fall 2018 fight in the UK, before you magically needed to do the Povetkin fight remember; didn't like our time wasted then either. 45% works for us.

Hearn: Shelley, that was out of our hands, but I understand the frustration. That's still too steep a share in our opinion. How about we split the difference at 42%?

Finkell: I can get Wilder to agree with 42.5%.

Hearn: Alright, you have a deal. How about we sit to hammer out the rest of this.

Finkell: Before we take that step, are there any TV issues that we need to worry about? My only concern is that we get as much money as possible to our fighters as possible.

Hearn: Joshua does have a formal deal with Sky in the UK, as well as some other EU TV relationships, but no formal US broadcaster to speak of. We of course have our deal with DAZN.

Finkell: As long as it's full value, we're open. We've got some preliminary estimates on what we think we can get on some of the key streams. Let's set that meeting.