Comments Thread For: Luis Ortiz Decisions a Durable Christian Hammer Over Ten

[champion4ever]

With all these explanation you just did, are you still convinced other HW are scared of the almighty Ortiz than can't even get a decent promoter?

TBH, I hate to hear that fvvking excuse that no one wants to fight as if hez entitled to been offered a contract all the time.
He has his team and he has to run the business part of boxing to attract other guys to just the way whyte did.

Aside the top 3, whyte can attract any other HW and make good money. Ortiz should do same and crying like a little byyytch all the time.

No, they are not afraid but they aren't exactly fools either. Miller said it best when Showtime offered him a shot at Luis Ortiz, he asked does that deal includes a title shot against Deontay Wilder they said no. So he subsequently turned the offer down to fight him.

So I get your point. There is no upside in fighting Luis Ortiz. He doesn't currently hold a title, doesn't bring in a lot money to the bargaining table, he doesn't pack enough meat in the seats and he is not box office draw with casual fans.

So what boxer in their right mind would want to fight him; When he is coming to the bargaining table empty handed with no leverage, cards or bargaining chips?

Moreover, aside from whyte attracting any other HW and making good money. He has a promoter in order to sell and push him; Unlike Luis Ortiz who doesn't have that same individual to sell or push his career and agenda.

Whyte has a promoter in Eddie Hearn of Matchroom Sport. Had Luis Ortiz had a Prime Don King promoting him he would turn the boxing industry upside down.

[JWHardin]

Ortiz isn't getting better at 40, that's for sure. What I wonder is why are the top guys afraid to fight him? He has decent skills and power, and is a southpaw.

A lot of folks don't believe the "hype" on Ortiz. It isn't hype, it is simply a good opponent for the top guys. Ask them why they won't fight them? Use him for a tune-up or stay busy fight. Are they waiting until he is 45?

Instead of asking who has he fought, as who has he turned down. The answer is no one. You can't say that about any of the top guys aside from Wilder.

[nick_viking]

Ortiz isn't getting better at 40, that's for sure. What I wonder is why are the top guys afraid to fight him? He has decent skills and power, and is a southpaw.

A lot of folks don't believe the "hype" on Ortiz. It isn't hype, it is simply a good opponent for the top guys. Ask them why they won't fight them? Use him for a tune-up or stay busy fight. Are they waiting until he is 45?

Instead of asking who has he fought, as who has he turned down. The answer is no one. You can't say that about any of the top guys aside from Wilder.

A lot of this is explained in the rest of the thread. Bad promotion, wasted opportunities, little money etc.

No one is afraid of Ortiz, he’s just done very little to deserve any big fights and doesn’t bring any money to the table or appeal to the casual fans. His big chances with Matchroom he looked terrible, and when he did get a big fight against Wilder he got stopped, so there you have it really!

[Earl-Hickey]

Ortiz isn't getting better at 40, that's for sure. What I wonder is why are the top guys afraid to fight him? He has decent skills and power, and is a southpaw.

A lot of folks don't believe the "hype" on Ortiz. It isn't hype, it is simply a good opponent for the top guys. Ask them why they won't fight them? Use him for a tune-up or stay busy fight. Are they waiting until he is 45?

Instead of asking who has he fought, as who has he turned down. The answer is no one. You can't say that about any of the top guys aside from Wilder.

theres nothing to be gained by fighting him except a bit of online cred with the hardcores

which no pro fighter cares about

[Earl-Hickey]

Still don’t get the Ortiz hype ....... I’ve tried and failed to see what’s so special about him

Boxing skill he’s sound for the first 7 rounds before he’s blowing out his hoop and getting tagged

Any decent pressure fighter will cook Ortiz

This, he's not that mobile either

Plenty of heavyweights could move around a bit and stick a jab on him then start tagging him late

[EasternEuroFan]

I hope people are realising Ortiz is the most overrated fighter in the sport.

His best win is Jennings years ago, and he is about a C level fighter anyway. Ortiz has had one big fight and got stopped. The rest of his fights are wins over fighters that are not even world level really.

I'm not sure where the idea that he is this excellent fighter comes from, because he certainly hasn't done anything in the ring to suggest that he is.

I always said it's because he's Cuban, so people assume he is very good. Give his record to a fighter from Ohio or somewhere and nobody would care about him.

[JWHardin]

theres nothing to be gained by fighting him except a bit of online cred with the hardcores

which no pro fighter cares about

I could make a list of recent opponents from the top guys in comparison, and ask what is to be gained in fighting them over Ortiz, but would be wasting my time.

The fact is, he is too high of a risk for them. Whyte is the best example of a guy that called Ortiz out, Ortiz accepted, then Whyte signed and fought Chisora. A clear duck.

[DougalDylan]

Povetkin looked way better, he's always been better, he was beating Ortiz in the amateurs and has one of the best resumes in the division.

He actually has a better win against hammer in his last 5 fights ??

Povetkin looked worse in his last 5 fights

[dray435]

It's Hard To Get Up For Low Level Fighters.

I don't think Ortiz is finished yet.This guy is not that well known and posed no real threat on paper I doubt Ortiz even trained properly for the fight because it's hard to get up for these kinds of fighters.He obviously beat him convincingly judging by the scorecards.This guy Hammer on the other hand probably trained like this was his last chance and probably fought with more determination than he has ever fought with.If Ortiz is presented with a Joshua or Wilder fight he will be up for it and ready.This guy I'm sure he viewed as just a stay ready fight and probably wasn't up for it and didn't train properly.

[dray435]

I could make a list of recent opponents from the top guys in comparison, and ask what is to be gained in fighting them over Ortiz, but would be wasting my time.

The fact is, he is too high of a risk for them. Whyte is the best example of a guy that called Ortiz out, Ortiz accepted, then Whyte signed and fought Chisora. A clear duck.

Yea and he was probably using steroids as far back as then.The Russians are notorious steroid abusers.